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Subject: RE: [wsrp-pfb] [UDDI#2] Portlet&Producer businessServices same busi nessEntity?
No, I wasn't trying to enforce the use of 2 registrations that way.
So to bring this thread to an end:
It seems that we agree on the freedom to Publish portlets under a different
businessEntity as the hosting Producer.
Since we have a prodcer service reference, we can find the producer easily
across businessEntities.
This allows us to support the ASP scenario.
It also allows publishers to use the "service projection" method of UDDI,
because it is completly transpartent to the searching party.
Any additional comments/protests/ideas?
Mit freundlichen Gruessen / best regards,
Richard Jacob
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IBM Lab Boeblingen, Germany
Dept.8288, WebSphere Portal Server Development
Phone: ++49 7031 16-3469 - Fax: ++49 7031 16-4888
Email: mailto:richard.jacob@de.ibm.com
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I'm not supporting the "default producer" idea except as a possible fall
back when a portlet is published without any producer reference (i.e. not
at all under 4).
In my ASP use case, the consumer (if a client of both portlet businesses)
may be required to employ a different consumer registration to talk to
Win-A-lot and EducationSelfHelp portlets even though the producer is really
one Web Service. I was asking if your use of multiple producer services was
in some way trying to enforce the use of 2 registrations?
regards,
Andre
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From: Richard Jacob [mailto:richard.jacob@de.ibm.com]
Sent: 19 January 2004 15:06
To: Andre Kramer
Cc: wsrp-pfb@lists.oasis-open.org
Subject: RE: [wsrp-pfb] [UDDI#2] Portlet&Producer businessServices same
busi nessEntity?
I just wanted to show up that there is already such a thing defined in
UDDI. For the user, i.e. the "finder" it's transparent - a projected
service appears under a business as it would be really published there,
there is no indirection.
However I'm not very strong at all on the enforcement of producer and
portlet services being in the same business, I can perfectly live without
the restriction.
But this would destroy your "default producer" reference scenario, that's
why I have been thinking about it.
Could you rephrase the sentence for me, please I don't know what you want
to say here:
"Are you worried about using the same producer registration to talk to
"Win-A-Lot" and "EducationSelfHelp" if they don't include a producer Web
service in UDDI, on a strict per business basis? I would think the service
projections would encourage such sharing."
Mit freundlichen Gruessen / best regards,
Richard Jacob
______________________________________________________
IBM Lab Boeblingen, Germany
Dept.8288, WebSphere Portal Server Development
Phone: ++49 7031 16-3469 - Fax: ++49 7031 16-4888
Email: mailto:richard.jacob@de.ibm.com
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I just don't see why we should force such duplicate publishing of producer
service per business and still end up with inter business reference
(granted they are producer service to producer server rather than portlet
service to producer service).
Why not simply allow a reference to a service in another business? In
future, UDDI will have better support for related businesses / business
relationships in any case.
But then, maybe, I should be using another kind of tModel for this?
WSRP_INTER_BUSINESS_PORTLET_SERVICE_REFERENCE under option 4 ;-)
Are you worried about using the same producer registration to talk to
"Win-A-Lot" and "EducationSelfHelp" if they don't include a producer Web
service in UDDI, on a strict per business basis? I would think the service
projections would encourage such sharing.
I beginning to think just quoting producer wsdl urls when publishing a
portlet and allowing the wsrp consumer runtime to figure out how to re-use
producer registrations may be a simpler approach then such a scheme based
on "service projections".
regards,
Andre
-----Original Message-----
From: Richard Jacob [mailto:richard.jacob@de.ibm.com]
Sent: 19 January 2004 13:41
To: Andre Kramer
Cc: wsrp-pfb@lists.oasis-open.org
Subject: RE: [wsrp-pfb] [UDDI#2] Portlet&Producer businessServices same
busi nessEntity?
I totally agree to the use case.
But I think there is already a mechanism in UDDI to solve this.
It's called "service projections", here you can add a businessService to a
businessEntity by referring to another businessService.
So in the example below we would have perhaps:
1. a business "Portal Application Service Provider"
2. a businessService "The PAS producer" tagged as a wsrp producer
3. a business "Win-A-Lot"
4. a businessService "The WAL producer" which is a projection to 2
5. businessServices for the WAL portlets
6. a business "EducationFactory"
7. a businessService "The EF producer" which is a projection to 2
8. businessServices for the EF portlets
I think this is the scenario you describe.
The handling of these "service projections" seems not to be very good
described.
I found some information about it in:
http://uddi.org/pubs/DataStructure-V2.03-Published-20020719.pdf , chapter
6: businessService structure and the structure breakdown.
I was able to add such a service projection using the IBM test registry UI,
but didn't find that in the MS UI.
The more we look deeper into the web UIs the more differences we discover.
Mit freundlichen Gruessen / best regards,
Richard Jacob
______________________________________________________
IBM Lab Boeblingen, Germany
Dept.8288, WebSphere Portal Server Development
Phone: ++49 7031 16-3469 - Fax: ++49 7031 16-4888
Email: mailto:richard.jacob@de.ibm.com
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I think this would lead to a producer wsdl service to be published more
than once (duplicating information). Think of a WSRP hosting service
"Portal Application Services Provider, Inc." hosting "Win-A-Lot"'s Portlet
and "SelfEducate"'s Portlets.
Win-A-Lot and SelfEducate would need to publish a producer service
reference for the same producer service "Portal Application Service
Provider, Inc.", which is not even part of their business, if we required a
producer service reference to be intra-business only (and we have no way to
enforce this MUST in UDDI).
regards,
Andre
-----Original Message-----
From: Richard Jacob [mailto:richard.jacob@de.ibm.com]
Sent: 19 January 2004 09:44
To: wsrp-pfb@lists.oasis-open.org
Subject: [wsrp-pfb] [UDDI#2] Portlet&Producer businessServices same
business Entity?
We haven't spoken it out, yet.
Do we require Portlet businessServices to be published under the same
businessEntity as the Producer businessService?
I think logically we shold require this, i.e. state MUST in the tech note.
This would also support Andre's comment on the "default prodcuer reference"
if we want to introduce it.
Mit freundlichen Gruessen / best regards,
Richard Jacob
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IBM Lab Boeblingen, Germany
Dept.8288, WebSphere Portal Server Development
Phone: ++49 7031 16-3469 - Fax: ++49 7031 16-4888
Email: mailto:richard.jacob@de.ibm.com
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