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Subject: Re: [wsrp-wsia] Roles

Hi Rich, Martin, Everyone,

In the Human Markup Language XML Primary Base Schema/Specification 
1.0 our TC approved for public comment at the start of November, we 
declared the xAL 2.0 (extensible Address Language) and the xNL 2.0 
(extensible Name Language) schemata of the OASIS Customer Information 
Quality TC, and imported the HR-XML Consortium's personName_1.2 and 
postalAddress_1.2 schemata as well as XNSORG/OneName's XNS-1.0 specs 
for the purpose of making our specification interoperable  with these 
specifications, the imported namespaces are commented out for now 
because those organizations have urn/schemaLocation concerns under 
consideration, but which are scheduled for minor revisions in those 
areas shortly after the start of the year. It is likely that we will 
also import or declare XLIFF as well.

Is it possible to simply make role fields optional?


At 7:51 AM -0500 11/26/02, Rich Thompson wrote:
>I have had the uneasy feeling about roles for a while, but rewriting those
>sections finally caused me to focus on it enough to see the detailed
>reasons why (you site some good examples). At this point I think it is only
>useful to that set of Consumer-Producer pairs that have a coordinated set
>of roles and since we won't be able to define tight semantics it doesn't
>belong in the spec.
>On the address side, the variations in address are a big issue and WSRP is
>not the right place to tackle it. We took guidance from the P3P data model
>in this area though we did need to provide some structure for their
>unstructured portions. I was hoping much of the variability could go into
>the field named street as this is an array of strings. In addition, each of
>the structures is individually extensible with the expectation that some of
>those extensions will come back for consideration as base level fields in
>v2. If there are other sources that would give a more internationalized
>view of this area, we certainly would appreciate a pointer ....
>                       "Martin 
>                       <mtbryan@sgml.u-n        To:       Rich 
>                       et.com> 
>                                                Subject:  Re: 
>[wsrp][wsia] Draft spec v0.85                        
>                       11/25/2002 
>>  Reflecting on this further, the whole schema of role mapping only really
>>  works when there is a huge overlap in the roles supported at the Producer
>>  and the Consumer. To me this is more and more smelling like something
>>  belongs as an extension rather than an inherent part of the spec.
>At last you are beginning to see the problem. Now consider what happens if
>the Producer is Finnish and the Consumer is Japanese and both use their own
>languages to define their services. Now we have a real problem, which will
>only be solved if you introduce a multilingual ontology of mapped terms
>the equation.
>The real problem, however, is how to do this dynamically, so that we can
>annotate recorded roles with "related names from other sources" (e.g.
>that someone has determined, by some off-line means, that A relates to B).
>Incidentally your address info structure in section 10 has not been
>internationalized. You need techniques for defining subsections of what you
>call cities (e.g. Kensington, London) and for identifying blocks (both at
>street and house level) and subunits of buildings (flats or suites). For
>example, I have a friend in Roumania for whose address I need to identify
>the flat number, the staircase, the block on the road (unless you call
>26 a name!) and the district of the town in addition to the fields you
>me to define once only if I want to send him something. It looks like I'm
>going to have to define more extensions than you do base fields, even
>every different Consume and Producer will have to define his own set of
>extensions for most of these :-(
>Martin Bryan
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