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Subject: Re: [wsrp-wsia] [I#175] Roles should be per-Entity and not per-Producer


I diasgree. Role information should not even be passed in vendor extensions
but be part of the general WS-Security concept. As such I do not see the
danger of having too many different implementations as extensions.


Best regards
Carsten Leue

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Dr. Carsten Leue
Dept.8288, IBM Laboratory B÷blingen , Germany
Tel.: +49-7031-16-4603, Fax: +49-7031-16-4401



                                                                           
             Rex Brooks                                                    
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I'm concerned that if we dropped roles altogether, no matter how
dicey or messy it is to keep them, we would see dozens of different
extensions added into the mix by producers and consumers, but if we
can make a clear but very simple way to include them, we stand a
better chance of having fewer wildly different kinds of role
verification put in use willy nilly. I agree it should be per entity
(or portlet if we settle on that as the name of the great thingie).

Ciao,
Rex

At 5:03 PM +0100 12/10/02, Carsten Leue wrote:
>Just to reopen the role discussion: instead of thinking of refining the
>role support we should think of dropping it altogether. I summarized the
>reasons for this already in another email.
>One example reoccurs in Eilon's example - the producer that spans multiple
>web-apps in J2EE. For me this seems to apply that the producer would use
>the app's J2EE roles as WSRP roles. In this case I would also assume that
>after a WSRP call containing such role information a call like
isUserInRole
>would work on the producer. However as no credentials are sent around this
>is impossible to implement.
>
>>From my point of view it would be best to rely on WS-Security.
>
>Best regards
>Carsten Leue
>
>-------
>Dr. Carsten Leue
>Dept.8288, IBM Laboratory B÷blingen , Germany
>Tel.: +49-7031-16-4603, Fax: +49-7031-16-4401
>
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>
>

>              Gil Tayar

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>Issue: 175
>Status: Active
>Topic: interface
>Class: Technical
>Raised by: Eilon Reshef
>Title: Roles should be per-Entity and not per-Producer
>Date Added: 10-Dec-2002
>Document Section:   v0.85/4.1.7
>Description:
>RoleDescription[] - should it be per each Entity and not per Producer? The
>current model only supports roles per Producer which works when the
>Producer is a centralized portal environment, but makes it much harder to
>manage and deploy changes in less controlled environment. For example,
this
>means that if a development environment allows portlet developers to
define
>custom roles per portlet (e.g., if one Producer may span multiple web-apps
>in J2EE), then the Producer must continuously accumulate all roles from
all
>its portlets to present a coherent role list. And, the Consumer needs to
>sample that list more often to ensure that there are no changes. Another
>example is how would an application-level-WSRP-proxy support multiple
>services with different roles?
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Rex Brooks
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