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Subject: RE: [wsrp-wsia] [I#154] Proposed Resolution: Rename "entity" to" portlet"







Current discussion summary ... terms have been proposed with various
problems noted:

entity - too general

portlet - this term is commonly used to describe the "code" that implements
a "portlet" interface ... the spec currently anticipates multiple
configurations of such code ....

portlet instance - Raises concepts of the runtime instantiation of portlet
code.

portlet entity - No issues raised ... would be same usage as JSR168

Rich Thompson


                                                                                                                          
                      Eilon Reshef                                                                                        
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                      ollage.com>                <Gil.Tayar@webcollage.com>                                               
                                                cc:       wsrp-wsia@lists.oasis-open.org                                  
                      12/11/2002 04:55          Subject:  RE: [wsrp-wsia] [I#154] Proposed Resolution: Rename "entity" to 
                      PM                         "  portlet"                                                              
                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                          



I would try to shy away from the word "instance" which had already caused
us weeks of frustration... :-)

My two cents,
Eilon
      -----Original Message-----
      From: Thomas Schaeck [mailto:SCHAECK@de.ibm.com]
      Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2002 7:42 AM
      To: Gil Tayar
      Cc: wsrp-wsia@lists.oasis-open.org
      Subject: RE: [wsrp-wsia] [I#154] Proposed Resolution: Rename "entity"
      to " portlet"
      Importance: Low




      Hi Gil,


      you may have misinterpreted my last mail - I agreed that both can be
      named
      the same, my proposal was to name both something like "portlet
      instances"
      or better "portlet entities" rather than just "portlet".


      That would resolve my concern and still use consistent naming for
      CCEs and
      POEs.


      Best regards,


      Thomas





      Gil Tayar <Gil.Tayar@webcollage.com> on 12/11/2002 05:54:06 AM


      To:    wsrp-wsia@lists.oasis-open.org
      cc:
      Subject:    RE: [wsrp-wsia] [I#154] Proposed Resolution: Rename
      "entity" to
             "    portlet"






      Spec-wise, using the term "portlet" for both CCEs _and_ POEs is
      exactly
      right, because they are nearly identical. Using a _different_ term,
      spec-wise, may be the confusing thing - confusing the reader that
      there is
      an inherent difference between the two (where, spec-wise, there
      isn't).


      I agree with you that application-wise, there _will_ be a difference
      between
      CCEs and POEs (POEs are the "types" and CCEs are the instances). But
      we are
      concerned with the spec, and the spec MUST be adamant - there is
      little
      difference between the two - they are both "portlets".


      Gil


      -----Original Message-----
      From: Thomas Schaeck [mailto:SCHAECK@de.ibm.com]
      Sent: Tue, December 10, 2002 21:28
      To: Gil Tayar
      Cc: wsrp-wsia@lists.oasis-open.org
      Subject: RE: [wsrp-wsia] [I#154] Proposed Resolution: Rename "entity"
      to
      " portlet"






      My concern primarily was that using the term "portlet" for consumer
      configured entities would be confusing. (Since in various portals
      POEs will
      be selectable as "portlets" from some kind of toolbar or customizer I
      was
      not equally concerned about producer offered entities to be named
      portlets.)


      Since it is true that POEs technically are not different from CCEs,
      we
      might name both "portlet instances" or better "portlet entities".


      Best regards,


      Thomas






      Gil Tayar <Gil.Tayar@webcollage.com> on 12/10/2002 06:47:56 AM


      To:    wsrp-wsia@lists.oasis-open.org
      cc:
      Subject:    RE: [wsrp-wsia] [I#154] Proposed Resolution: Rename
      "entity" to
             "    portlet"






      Exactly. Also, the differentiation between POEs and CCEs is
      artificial, and
      the doesn't differentiate between the two except for the fact that a
      Consumer can delete only CCEs, and that POE descriptions are returned
      in
      getServiceDescription.


      One could argue that a POE is a "portlet type" - a prototype for
      CCEs. The
      problem is that the spec doesn't say anything about this. Can't I
      have two
      "stock quotes" POEs, which both map to the same "portlet type", but
      pre-configured _by the Producer_? Of course. What is the difference
      between
      those two and a Consumer-configured entity which takes one of the two
      above
      POEs and configures it? None.


      Meaning POEs and CCEs are both "portlets" (POPs and CCPs).


      And Rich, maybe it is time to start talking about "portlet instances"
      as
      those transient things (ouch!) that become unique at runtime (I like
      that
      phrase!).


      Gil


      -----Original Message-----
      From: Rich Thompson [mailto:richt2@us.ibm.com]
      Sent: Mon, December 09, 2002 20:30
      To: wsrp-wsia@lists.oasis-open.org
      Subject: Re: [wsrp-wsia] [I#154] Proposed Resolution: Rename "entity"
      to
      "portlet"










      Subbu is right, you can have multiple instances of an entity on a
      page
      regardless of whether it is Producer Offered or Consumer Configured.
      Those
      instances become unique in a transient manner at runtime, but start
      from
      the same persistent configuration each time.


      Rich Thompson
      Interaction Middleware and Standards for Portal Server
      IBM T.J. Watson Research Center
      Yorktown Heights, NY
      (914) 945-3225
      richt2@us.ibm.com









                            Thomas


                            Schaeck@IBMDE            To:      Subbu
      Allamaraju
      <subbu@bea.com>
                                                     cc:      Rich
      Thompson/Watson/IBM@IBMUS,
                            12/09/2002 01:06
      wsrp-wsia@lists.oasis-open.org
                            PM                       From:    Thomas
      Schaeck/Germany/IBM@IBMDE
                                                     Subject: Re:
      [wsrp-wsia]
      [I#154] Proposed Resolution: Rename
                                                     "entity" to
      "portlet"(Document link: Rich Thompson)



















      In many portals, "portlet" is used for what you can select in the
      customizer (this corresponds to "producer offered entity") and
      someting
      like "portlet instance", "portlet occurrance" or "portlet entity"
      (JSR 168)
      is used for the instances of such portlets on pages (this corresponds
      to
      "consumer configured entity").


      Best regards,


      Thomas






      Subbu Allamaraju <subbu@bea.com> on 12/09/2002 07:00:05 PM


      To:    Thomas Schaeck/Germany/IBM@IBMDE
      cc:    Rich Thompson/Watson/IBM@IBMUS, wsrp-wsia@lists.oasis-open.org

      Subject:    Re: [wsrp-wsia] [I#154] Proposed Resolution: Rename
      "entity" to
             "portlet"






      Thomas Schaeck wrote:
      > We have to be very careful here since we have two different kinds
      of
      > entities - it would make sense to rename "producer offered
      entities" to
      > "portlets", but I don't think it would make sense to use the term
      "portlet"
      > for "consumer configures entity".


      But since a consumer configured entity is similar to a producer
      offered
      entity outside the entity management interface, why does the same
      term
      not apply to such entities? Am I missing something?


      Regards,


      Subbu


      >
      > Best regards,
      >
      > Thomas
      >
      >
      >
      > Rich Thompson/Watson/IBM@IBMUS on 12/09/2002 06:33:29 PM
      >
      > To:    wsrp-wsia@lists.oasis-open.org
      > cc:
      > Subject:    Re: [wsrp-wsia] [I#154] Proposed Resolution: Rename
      "entity"
      to
      >        "portlet"
      >
      >
      >
      >
      >
      >
      >
      >
      > This was a question we said at the Nov F2F that we would allow to
      sit for
      a
      > few weeks. Seeing as there have been no replies to this issue, I
      propose
      > that we resolve it by renaming entities to portlets throughout the
      spec.
      > This aligns with the name of the spec and thereby will help guide
      the
      > spec's readers.
      >
      > Rich Thompson
      >
      >
      >
      >
      >                       Gil Tayar
      >                       <Gil.Tayar@webcol        To:
      >                       wsrp-wsia@lists.oasis-open.org
      >                       lage.com>                cc:
      >                                                Subject:
      [wsrp-wsia]
      >                       [I#154] Rename "entity" to "portlet" or
      >                       11/24/2002 06:50          "portlet type"
      >                       AM
      >
      >
      >
      >
      >
      > Issue: 154
      > Status: Active
      > Topic: general
      > Class: Technical
      > Raised by: Eilon Reshef
      > Title: Rename "entity" to "portlet" or "portlet type"
      > Date Added: 7-Nov-2002
      > Document Section:
      > Description:
      > As the word "entity" is too general, and because we have finally
      given a
      > name to the thing that we are "showing", why not rename entity to
      "portlet"
      > or "portlet type"
      >
      >
      >
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