[wsrp-wsia] Minutes for 2 January 2003 Meeting

[Steven Smith <ssmith@capitol-college.edu>]

WSRP Members Attendance:
Abdelnur, Alejandro	Sun			No
Aickin, Sasha		Plumtree		No
Atkinson, Olin		Novell		Yes
Blich, Amir			SAP			No
Braun, Chris		Novell		No
Brooks, Rex			Starbourne		Yes
Clegg, Dave			Sybase		No
Cox, T. J.			Novell		No
Cox, William		BEA			Yes
Dirking, Brian		Stellent		Yes
Drye, Stephen		Art Technology	No
Dynin, Jane			Plumtree		No
Filicettie, Gino		Bowstreet		No
Freedman, Michael		Oracle		Yes
Jacob, Richard		IBM			Yes
Klein, Jon			Reed-Elsevier	No
Kramer, Andre		Citrix		Yes
Kropp, Alan			Vignette		Yes
Leue, Carsten		IBM			Yes
Martin, Monica		Drake Certivo	Yes
Mitsuika, Madoka		Fujitsu		No
Nolen, Adam			Reed-Elsevier	Yes
Palas, Petr			Moravia IT		Yes
Pugsley, Ken		Peoplesoft		No
Ramesh, Raj			CommerceOne		No
Randhawa, Sunit		Fjuitsu		Yes
Ratcliffe, Nigel		Factiva		No
Reshef, Eilon		WebCollage		No
Rudnicki, Joe		U.S. Navy		Yes
Schaeck, Thomas		IBM			Yes
Shumaker, Gennady		SAP			Yes
Smith, Steven		Capitol College	Yes
Stanko, Joseph		Plumtree		No
Tayar, Gil			WebCollage		No
Thompson, Rich		IBM			Yes
Tamari, Yossi		SAP Portals		Yes
van Lydergraf, Eric	Kinzan		No
Wiecha, Charles		IBM			Yes
Young, Michael		Plumtree		Yes

Prospective Members:
Allamaraju, Subbu		BEA			Yes
Fubini, Ross		Plumtree		No
Machak, Dan			Tibco			No

21 of 40 - Did not have a quorum at any one point in the meeting.

Started 11:04am EST

Steven Smith expressed appreciation for Gil's email listing the resolved 
issues.

Acceptance of last meeting's minutes postponed until next meeting so all 
members can read and comment on them.

Thomas pointed out a conflict with the time for the Tuesday meeting with 
JSR168's meeting.  The Tuesday call is rescheduled to 6pm German time/ Noon 
EST/ 9:00am Pacfic.  It will still last for 90 minutes.

The next face-to-face meeting will be 27 January to 30 January at SAP (Palo 
Alto) in California.  Still finalizing the location.  Information will be 
posted on the OASIS website and through the email list.

Since we did not have a quorum, no votes were taken though issues were 
discussed.

#185 Remove concept of roles from the specification
	- Much of the discussion centered around whether security functions are 
part of roles, as defined in the spec.
		- Security group concerned about "roles" in WSRP
		- Other groups assume there is NO trust between the Consumer and Producer
		- WSRP assumes that the Producer trusts the Consumer
	- Several people felt we should rely on existing standards and refer to 
those for security
	- There is a desire by some to track the real identity of a user through 
the system
	- Concern was expressed that the current way roles are defined will not 
work with application servers
	- Should we change its name to something else?
		- Suggestions include: user type, user group, viewpoint, activity type, 
activity
	*-* Resolved to get more name suggestions through the email list

#174 The Consumer should not assert a role for a role which the Producer 
does not have
	- Postponed to next meeting

#175 Roles should be per-Entity and per-Producer
	-Postponed to next meeting

#181 Registration API - valuable to spec or out-of-band?
	- Fine for version 1.0
	- Other groups are working on issues that may replace this in the WSRP spec

#179 requestParameter semantics unclear
	- PUT vs GET
	*-* Carsten needed to see Andre's email before responding to this issue. 
He will work on it Monday and post on the email list.

#187 How does POST data reach the Producer?
	- Need to resolve #179 first

#184 Non-blocking action
	- Several people said the spec does not work with JSR168
	- GetMarkup would just have the POST parameter and cannot change state
	- Changing state can only happen during a blocking-action

#169 Spec silent on page refresh
	- No way to prevent this
	- Many feel we should leave it undefined in the spec and up to the 
Consumer implementation
	*-* Mike will post an email on the list for Tuesday's meeting

No other issues were brought up

Meeting ended at 12:24pm EST