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Subject: Re: [wsrp] Redirect from handleEvents


But the point of redirect is to take the user outside the context of the 
consumer, provided the consumer is willing.

Subbu

Mike Caffyn wrote:
> I think my concerns with the redirects is that the portlet is assuming
> knowledge of the either the consumer or client and is really outside the
> context of the current consumer aggregated page/application. So I agree 
> with
> Richard and Mike this doesn't seem worthwhile until the portlets have more
> knowledge of the consumer for navigation of pages.
> 
> Regards,
> Mike
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Andre Kramer" <andre.kramer@eu.citrix.com>
> To: "Richard Jacob" <richard.jacob@de.ibm.com>; "Michael Freedman"
> <michael.freedman@oracle.com>
> Cc: "wsrp" <wsrp@lists.oasis-open.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 9:49 AM
> Subject: RE: [wsrp] Redirect from handleEvents
> 
> 
> A display that has multiple views (portlets) under the control of
> another (a controller portlet) could have the user click in a view which
> raises an event that causes the controller to detect completion and
> re-direct to some other controller (with its own multiple views). My
> example is a workflow that has sequential tasks with a re-direct used on
> task completion.
> 
> Regards,
> Andre
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Richard Jacob [mailto:richard.jacob@de.ibm.com]
> Sent: 17 August 2005 13:23
> To: Michael Freedman
> Cc: wsrp
> Subject: Re: [wsrp] Redirect from handleEvents
> 
> I agree with Mike and have the same concerns.
> For me a redirect makes sense if the initially targetted portlet, i.e.
> the
> one the user interacts with sends a redirect (be it on an action or an
> event) and the portlet is able to address yet another portlet on the
> consumer page (or even another page).
> But as of now we have only a simple "external" redirect that leaves the
> Consumer portal context and we don't have an addressing scheme which
> would
> allow addressing of other portlets/pages.
> Therefor I see very limited usage to redirect right now and I don't see
> a
> real valueadd in allow redirect in events for now.
> Once we probably discuss more sophisticated redirect scenarion with
> page/portlet affinity then redirect may make sense.
> For the time being I wouldn't add this extra complexity to the protocol
> without a real valueadd.
> 
> Mit freundlichen Gruessen / best regards,
> 
>         Richard Jacob
> ______________________________________________________
> IBM Lab Boeblingen, Germany
> Dept.8288, WebSphere Portal Server Development
> WSRP Team Lead & Technical Lead
> WSRP Standardization
> Phone: ++49 7031 16-3469  -  Fax: ++49 7031 16-4888
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>              Michael Freedman
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> Subbu,
>    I continue to question the value of adding redirect from a
> handleEvent
> because I don't understand the circumstances where a Consumer would
> honor
> such a redirect.  These are the possible situations I see:
>       A portlet's handleEvent is called after a user interaction in
> another
>       portlet.
>       Why would a consumer allow/think its appropriate to redirect when
>       this redirect is caused not by the portlet being interacted with
> but
>       something else in the page/context?
>       A portlet's handleEvent is called after an interaction in this
>       portlet that raised an event that got distributed to another
> portlet
>       which raised an event that the originating portlet is now
> handling.
>       Though slightly more credible because the portlet doing the
> redirect
>       was the target of the original interaction it again seems suspect
>       that a Consumer [even if it bothered to pay attention to who was
> the
>       original target] would allow such a redirect. Do you have a use
> case
>       for this?  Is this the one scenario you are concerned about?
>       A portlet's handleEvent is called by the consumer directly without
>       any user interaction.
>       Why would a Consumer allow/honor this?  Redirecting without a user
>       interaction breaks the consumer in that a portlet can hijack a
> page
>       and prevent all [regular] users from ever getting to that page.
>    -Mike-
> 
> Rich Thompson wrote:
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>       While it is a reasonable exercise to make sure our web service
>       definitions map reasonably to popular platforms, lets make sure
> not
>       to go too far in trying to define how something like the Java
> Portlet
>       API should be extended to deal with v2 items such as events as
> some
>       other standardization group will be who makes those
> determinations.
> 
>       As to your questions:
>       a. As a user, I rarely see what looks like an action URL result in
> a
>       redirect. On the other hand, I frequently see regular URLs direct
> the
>       browser away from an aggregated page.
> 
>       b. I would hope APIs such as the Java Portlet API would support v2
>       events by allowing developers to define their own event handling
>       methods and connect these to events via metadata (one could even
> hope
>       for a reuse of WSDL!). This makes it easier to expose the
> semantics
>       of the event handler to whomever is defining how the portlet is
>       participating in the processing of the aggregated page(s). This is
>       significantly more natural for the portlet developer than having a
>       generic method which is simple a large switch statement for
> selecting
>       the "real" event handler. Whether of not such methods are required
> to
>       have a specific signature or whether the available set of inputs
> and
>       outputs is variable depends a lot on the environment, but
> requiring a
>       specific signature style is not a significant burden on the
>       developer.
> 
>       Rich
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>  Subbu Allamaraju <subbu@bea.com>
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>       To take yesterday's discussion forward, I would like to summarize
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>       current arguments.
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>       Problem: handleEvents does not allow Producers to request for a
>       redirect.
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>       Argument 1: To keep the programming model simple, allow Producers
> to
>       return a redirectURL, and clarify that Consumers are NOT REQUIRED
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>       honor such a redirect.
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>       Argument 2: Since some/most Consumers may not honor a redirect due
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>       the possibility of parallel event processing, why specify
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>       may not work always.
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>       I would like to ask the following questions for discussion next
> week.
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>       a. How frequently do developers rely on redirect?
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>       b. How would you see redirectURL getting exposed in the portlet
>       programming model, for example in the Java Portlet API.
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>       Regards,
>       Subbu
> 
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