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Subject: [wss] RE: Minutes for Telecon, Tuesday 29 October 2002
Added Sirish Vepa to the addendees. -- Steve > -----Original Message----- > From: Steve Anderson > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 2:17 PM > To: OASIS WSSTC (E-mail) > Subject: Minutes for Telecon, Tuesday 29 October 2002 > > Minutes for WSSTC Telecon, Tuesday 29 October 2002 > Dial in info: +1 913 312 4173 #319026 > Minutes taken by Steve Anderson > > ====================================================================== > Summary > ====================================================================== > > Votes: > > - Minutes from 8 October 2002 meeting accepted (unanimous) > > New (General) Action Items: > > - Chairs to continue discussion of F2F dates on the list > - Rob Philpott to gather short list of document naming options > and post for email vote > - Kelvin to post WS-Security schema file to WSSTC web site > - Chris to post options for next call on list > - Chairs to follow up on establishing ebXML liaison > > Issues List Action Items & Status Updates: > > - 3: Editors to clarify > - Related to 19 & 23 > - 9: Erick Herring to follow up and make determination > - 14: Ron will propose change before next meeting > - 19: Combined with 23 > - Ron to work with Tony to get incorporated in doc > - Phil Griffin to post to list concerning biometrics, and work > with Ron > - 20: Status changed to pending, intend to close on next call > - 21: Related to 2 & 22 > - Close this item > - See 22 > - 22: Editors to clarify > - 23: Combined with 19 > - 24: Combined with 25 > - Still open > - 25: Combined with 24 > - 26: Status changed to pending, intend to close on next call > - 27: Editors to clarify > - 28: Ron will make change in bindings document > - Status changed to pending, intend to close on next call > - 29: Prateek to post to list on this issue > - 30: JohnS to update name of this issue to reflect direction > of discussion > - 31: Chairs to derive an appropriate OASIS namespace > - Editors to change namespace > - 32: Tony to clarify > - Status changed to pending, intend to close on next call > - 33: Status changed to pending, intend to close on next call > - John to add timestamp discussion as new issue to list > > ====================================================================== > Raw Notes > ====================================================================== > > > > > Agenda: > > > > 1. Introductions & welcome > > > > > > > 2. Roll call > > > > - Attendance attached to bottom of these minutes > - Quorum achieved > > > > > 3. Reading of the minutes of our previous meeting (10/8) > > > > - [VOTE] unanimous consent, accepted > > > > > 4. Proposal for next F2F meeting > > > > - Chris & Kelvin spoke w/ OASIS and got offer from them to host during > week of Dec 8, which is when XML 2002 is going on > - in Baltimore > - proposing 2 day meeting > - reservation for Wed & Thurs > - other TCs are meeting there that week > - several indications of conflict > - original suggestion of Nov 21-22 seemed to have more conflicts > w/ early Thanksgiving breaks > - Dec 11-12 conflicts with Liberty Alliance meeting of sponsors > - IETF is week of Nov 18 > - [ACTION] Chairs will continue this on the list > > > > > 5. Reports -- any sub-committees that wish to report > > > > - Erick Herring, Primer SC > - have just begun work on primer, and are starting > separate mailing list > - has pushed out strawman, and is awaiting comments > - determining form of work > - Rob Philpott, Doc Naming > - responses on list favor "Web Services Security: SOAP Message > Security" > - one objection to its length, favor use of "core" > - lacks qualification> > - Hal: suggests posing small number of options, and do email vote > - [ACTION] RobP to gather short list of options and post for email > vote > > > > > 6. Progress report from the editors > > > > - Tony Nadalin, core doc > - updated doc posted this morning > - have taken comments from mail list that match issues list and > updated docs > - some comments haven't been incorporated because they need more > clarification > - will reply to those to try to get all worked in > - Ron Monzillo, SAML bindings doc > - will post update before next call > - Kelvin: why even that long? > - Ron: impact of other work > - hasn't seen many comments posted for this, most seem to be on > core > - Kelvin: wants to have docs to digest well before F2F > - Phillip Hallam-Baker, Kerberos/X509/XrML bindings > - will try to get a draft out by Friday > - Hal: concerning Tony's doc, does this reflect editors getting > together as discussed previously? > - Tony: no, couldn't get everyone together > - they will get together once > - Chris Kaler: need someone to Shepherd the PKCS7 and PKIPath token > profiles > - Phil Griffin: volunteers to help with PKCS7 > > > > > 7. Discussion of the documents > > > > - Tim Moses: why aren't we using XMLSchema? > - Chris: we are > - Tim: (example) in core, sec 6, line 445, this is not XMLSchema > - Chris: this is illustrative view, and a separate schema doc > gives explicit XML > - Tim: why not use XMLSchema in core? > - Chris: simplicity of reading > - several supporting comments of simpler representation > - Prateek: supports Tim's desire for exactness > - is there any single doc that holds the complete schema? > - apparently not yet > - Chris: why cut and paste, rather than use simplified examples? > - PhilG: has had bad experiences in past standards efforts keeping > two such docs in synch > - PhillHB: has some tools to synchronize between normative doc and > schema doc > - Jeff: supports usefulness of having exact XMLSchema in core > - web site and docs lack normative reference to schema doc > - Chris: prefers to wait to end, after voting on candidate doc set, > to copy schema fragments > - Hal: even simplified examples have a synch problem > - Jeff: examples don't necessarily have to "validate" > - RobP: finds SAML doc more comprehensive and easier to understand, > compared to current WSS docs > - Tim: simplified form lacks optionality, cardinality, etc > - Conner: feels that having both forms is valuable > - John S: agrees, and reiterates need to post schema > - [ACTION] Kelvin to post schema file > - Hal: is the notation with slashes and '@' symbols is unfamiliar, > is it documented somewhere? > - its basically XPath > - suggestion to include reference to XPath to explain the notation > - RobP: suggests that anyone that has an alternative notation > should pose it to the list > - Tim: just surprised that any other notation is needed, but will > abide by majority feeling > - Chris: treat this as open issue and take it to the list > > > > > 8. Review and status of actions and issues > > > > - John S: going thru list as sent late yesterday, top to bottom > < http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/wss/200210/msg00104.html > > - 1-2 closed > - 3 > - Hal: understood that this issue was being subsumed by Ron's > doc changes > - Ron: sent summary/proposal to list, but got no responses > < http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/wss/ > 200210/msg00052.html > > - related issues were 19 & 23 > - John: how should we proceed on 3, 4 & 5? > - the editors will move forward on this, and clarify these > - 9, was AI for use case authors> > - [ACTION] Erick Herring to follow up and make determination > - 10-13 postponed/closed > - 14 > - still open > - Ron will propose change before next meeting > - 15 > - Tony put in 1 reference, needs another > - still open > - 16-18 closed > - 19 > - related to issue 3 > - should be combined with issue 23 > - Ron has posted note on this, and needs comments > < http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/wss/ > 200209/msg00095.html > (item 11) > - [ACTION] Ron to work with Tony to get incorporated in doc > - PhilG: might be an area where biometrics should be noted > - [ACTION] PhilG to post to list concerning biometrics, and > work with Ron > - 20 > - Tony: has attempted to clarify > - John: will note as pending fix, and will close next time > - 21-22 > - Ron: 2, 21, & 22 are related > - suggests that tokens don't necessarily imply a key, so the > doc isn't generic enough > - either this isn't an issue, or we clarify that tokens can > carry anything, not just keys > - closing this item > - [ACTION] editors to clarify on 22 > - 23 > - grouped with 19 > - 24-25 > - Ron: should be grouped with 25 > - 25 is a question about the presence of a use model > - Tony: can we deem this out of scope and say that all > signatures belong in header? > - Ron: may be reasonable > - after much discussion, decide to move to list > - 26 > - has been moved to 'pending', will be closed next call > - 27 > - [ACTION] editors to clarify doc > - 28 > - [ACTION] Ron will make change in rev to bindings > - pending for review at next call > - 29 > - Ron: talked this through with Prateek & Jeff, and doesn't > feel we need to take time on this today > - not sure if this is an issue or not > - Prateek: proposes we take this to list > - [ACTION] Prateek to post to list on this issue > - 30 > - previously discussed today (simplified examples in normative > doc rather than actual XMLSchema fragments) > - still open > - will be discussed on list > - [ACTION] JohnS to update name of this issue to reflect > direction of this discussion > - 31 > - Consensus around using an OASIS namespace > - [ACTION] chairs to derive an appropriate OASIS namespace > - [ACTION] editors to change namespace > - 32 > - Tony: has clarified freshness issue in text, but not the > SHA-1 issue > - Tim; e.g., in Europe, people want to use RIPEMD > - [ACTION] Tony to clarify > - marking issue as pending > - 33 > - Tony: has attempted to clarify Tim's main points > - Tim will review latest draft > - marking this as pending > - Tony: looking for other examples for where timestamp is more > than just time > - Tim: timestamp is too precise, as it certifies the existence > of the message at that instant > - just thinks element should be named "time" rather than > "timestamp" > - [ACTION] John will add timestamp discussion as new issue to > list > - 34 > - will move to list > - out of time to complete issues list > - Tony: doc edits will get messy with change bars > - suggestion to accept changes in doc after posting to list, > so that each posting is a delta from the previous posting > > > > > 9. Any other business > > > > - Schedule of next call > - Chris: doesn't think that can be decided on this call > - if we wait three weeks for next call to get back on old sched, > that will step on one of the proposed F2F dates> > - [ACTION] Chris will post options for next call on list tomorrow > - Chris: volunteer for ebXML liaison? > - Zahid volunteers > - is this only for ebXML Messaging or CPPA? > - will see if anyone responds on list > - [ACTION] chairs to follow up on establishing ebXML liaison > > > > > 10. Adjourn > > > > - Adjourned > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Attendance of Voting Members: > > Don Adams TIBCO > Zahid Ahmed Commerce One > Jan Alexander Systinet > Steve Anderson OpenNetwork > Conor Cahill AOL > Greg Carpenter Nokia > William Cox BEA > Martijn de Boer SAP > Thomas DeMartini ContentGuard > Yassir Elley Sun Microsystems > Jeremy Epstein webMethods > Don Flinn Quadrasis > Simon Godik Overxeer > Sam Greenblatt Computer Associates > Phillip Hallam-Baker Verisign > Erick Herring Digital Evolution > Jeff Hodges Sun Microsystems > Maryann Hondo IBM > Merlin Hughes Baltimore Technologies > Chris Kaler Microsoft > Charles Knouse Oblix > Takashi Kojo NEC > Yutaka Kudo Hitachi > Chris Kurt Microsoft > Kelvin Lawrence IBM > Hal Lockhart Entegrity Solutions > Anne Manes (individual) > Monica Martin Drake Certivo, Inc. > Prateek Mishra Netegrity > Ronald Monzillo Sun Microsystems > Bob Morgan (individual) > Ron Moritz Computer Associates > Tim Moses Entrust > Anthony Nadalin IBM > Nataraj Nagaratnam IBM > Andrew Nash RSA Security > Toshihiro Nishimura Fujitsu > Mark Nobles LMI > Rob Philpott RSA Security > Hemma Prafullchandra Verisign > Rajesh Raman BEA Systems > Ed Reed Novell > Irving Reid Baltimore Technologies > Peter Rostin RSA Security > Jason Rouault HP > Vipin Samar Oracle > Jerry Schwarz Oracle > Senthil Sengodan Nokia > Shawn Sharp Cyclone Commerce > John Shewchuk Microsoft > Frank Siebenlist Argonne National Lab > Andre Srinivasan E2open > Andrew Sweet Perficient > Gene Thurston AmberPoint > Ganesh Vaideeswaran Documentum Sirish Vepa Sybase > Sam Wei Documentum > Rob Weltman Netscape/AOL > Pete Wenzel SeeBeyond > > > Attendance of Observers or Prospective Members: > > Toufic Boubez Layer 7 > Guillermo Lao ContentGuard > Phil Griffin Griffin Consulting > Frederick Hirsch Nokia > Tim Hall Talking Blocks > Ian Hunter TIBCO > > > Membership Status Changes: > > Toufic Boubez Layer 7 - Granted voting status after call > Nand Mulchandani Oblix - Withdrew 10/10/2002 > Igor Balabine IONA - Withdrew 10/15/2002 > Gilbert Pilz E2open - Lost voting status due to inactivity > Gavenraj Sodhi Business Layers - Lost voting status due to inactivity > > -- > Steve >
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