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Subject: [wss] Minutes for Telecon, Tuesday 17 December 2002
Minutes for WSSTC Telecon, Tuesday 17 December 2002
Dial in info: +1 719-955-1560 #415985.
Minutes taken by Steve Anderson
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Summary
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Votes:
- Minutes from 3 December 2002 meeting accepted (unanimous)
- Minutes from 11-12 December F2F approved (roll call vote: 32 of 48
in favor, 12 abstain, 4 no response)
- CPV items in Issues list v8 approved (unanimous)
- Issues list v8 approved (unanimous)
New (General) Action Items:
(none)
Issues List Action Items & Status Updates:
- Hal to send text to John for issue spun out of issue 3
- Frederick to send text to John for issue 61
- 26: CLOSED
- 28: PENDING
- 36: CLOSED
- Kelvin to email Zahid re: issue 47, 48 & 49
- 50: PENDING
- Ron to review and provide feedback by next call
- 52: PENDING
- Ron & Chris to clean up any text
- 53
- Ron to work with Chris, Tony & PhilG on issue 53, and report
by next week
- 55: CLOSED
- John to add issues for versioning mechanism and for XML Token
wrapper
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Raw Notes
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>
> Agenda:
>
> 1. Roll call
>
- Attendance attached to bottom of these minutes
- Quorum achieved
>
> 2. Review minutes from previous meeting (12/3)
> < http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/wss/200212/msg00037.html >
>
- [VOTE] unanimous consent, accepted
>
> 3. Approval of proposed resolutions from the F2F
> < http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/wss/200212/msg00084.html >
> < http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/wss/200212/msg00085.html >
> < http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/wss/200212/msg00086.html >
> < http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/wss/200212/msg00087.html >
>
- Jeff: where in the minutes is this concisely represented?
- Steve: no complete summary
- Kelvin: John has posted new issues list with new status "CPV",
Closed Pending Vote
- so vote is essentially on new issues list
- Connor: do we need quorum vote for every decision?
- Chris: RRO does allow anyone to demand it
- [discussion of need for quorum and formal votes]
- BillC: notes that other TCs provide dial in, which can help
quorum
- Chris: with TC our size, hard to get phone in middle of room that
can accommodate the room
- Kelvin: we did try, but were unsuccessful
- Kelvin: any objections to the motion to approve the CPV items?
- JerryS: where is the issues list we are voting on?
- JohnS posted to list last night
< http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/wss/200212/msg00097.html >
- RLBob: sees 6 items in issues list marked CPV
- Kelvin: they are 3,4,5,22,51,54
- Hal: his issue 3 was agreed to be closed, but a new issue was to
be created
- JohnS: that will happen, asks Hal to send issue text
- Hal: will do
- [ACTION] Hal to send text to John for issue spun out of issue 3
- Jeff: not clear what was agreed to, hasn't had time to absorb
the minutes
- the issues show CPV, but doesn't reflect what was agreed to
- Kelvin: the most recent draft of docs reflect the changes
- RobP: reiterates that whatever we approve today can be
re-examined in new issues
- call to question
- any objections?
- Jeff: clarification, is it just the issues list?
- John: suggests breaking motion up into three parts
- the minutes
- the CPV items
- issues list
- motion to approve minutes from F2F
- Jerry: hasn't had time to review the minutes, and doesn't see
urgency to approve
- Chris: if we can't close on what we discussed, hard to make
progress
- Jerry: not against approving the CPV items or issues list
- John: references the minutes as a way of describing the resolution
- Jerry: if motion is combined into one, withdraws objection
- Jeff: suggests voting on the 6 CPV items
- John: not adequate, for several reasons
- because several items were also closed (rather than CPV)
because they were pending one person's approval, and
that person was at the F2F and gave approval
- certain items were designated 'postponed'
- resolution to CPV items is found in minutes
- [VOTE] roll call vote 32 of 42 approve, minutes approved
- motion to approve CPV items
- Hal: suggests calling for objections to
- Ron: has question on resolution to issue 51
- Rob: the action at F2F was for Tony to example out in section 7.1
lines 664-669
- Ron: example is still there
- correction, it has been removed
- [VOTE] no objections, CPV items closed
- motion to approve issues list
< http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/wss/200212/msg00097.html >
- Frederick: item 61 has old text
- [ACTION] Frederick to send text to John for issue 61
- [VOTE] no objections, issues list approved
>
> 4. Discussion of remaining open issues
>
- Chris: any updates on open issues?
- John: walking through issues where people intended to get addressed
by this call
- 19: PhilG sent draft of extracted username token profile
< http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/wss/200212/msg00095.html >
- Ron: understood that his submission didn't address username
token
- Tony: agrees
- John: since PhilG isn't present, so suggests we move on
- Ron: agrees, may come back to this if time permits
- 26: Tony was to have draft out
- Ron: saw a change regarding this, and is comfortable closing
it
- [CLOSED]
- 28: Ron was to send doc
- Ron: did send doc late
< http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/wss/200212/
msg00100.html >
- but we haven't resolved other derived issues related to this
- could close this, but need to point to others
- Frederick: Ron's submission has extensive changes, which needs
review, and suggest leaving it as pending
- [PENDING]
- 36: RobP was to send text to Tony
- RobP: sent text to Tony
- Tony: added to docs, needs to be reviewed/verified
- [PENDING]
- Prateek: these seem to be all getting marked pending, time may
be better served getting to TimM's vote on QoP
- Chris: feels it more important to get through issues
- BillC: discussion list is closing, and feels we owe it to
that group to vote on their work
- John: we're almost through the list anyway
- 36: RobP verified
- [CLOSED]
- 47, 48, 49: Zahid to comment
- Zahid not on call
- [ACTION] Kelvin to email Zahid re: issue 47, 48 & 49
- 50: Ron to confirm that new text makes sense
- [PENDING]
- [ACTION] Ron to review and provide feedback by next call
- 52: Chris to provide text
- Chris: was mailed to list and included in draft 8
- Ron: very good, but still has one question
- [PENDING]
- [ACTION] Ron & Chris to clean up any text re: issue 52
- 53:
- Tony: wants to ensure enough basics are in core, and usage
can be addressed in profile
- Ron: distinguishing between username token from username/
password, which is more of a proof
- [ACTION] Ron to work with Chris, Tony & PhilG on issue 53, and
report by next week
- [OPEN]
- 55: Frederick's concern
- Chris: thinks we made this edit
- Frederick: reviewed it, fine
- [CLOSED]
- time expiring
- Hal: 49 is marked open, and believes it should be pending
- John: agrees
- 49 changed to [PENDING]
- Jerry: recalls 2 approved items from F2F
- determine mech for versioning
- Ron: that was his action, and hasn't been done yet
- proposal for XML token wrapper
- [ACTION] John to add issues for versioning mechanism and for
XML Token wrapper
>
> 5. Brief discussion of when next phone call will be
>
- Kelvin: according to schedule, next call would be 24 December
- next call will be 14 January 7am PST
- normal 2 hour call
- need sponsor
>
> 6. Any other business
>
- Tim's QoP group
- Tim: discussion group will disband on 20 December
- group has worked for ~ 2 months
- has advanced solution to reasonable solid state
- report was send to list at end of November
< http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/wss/200211/msg00179.html >
- motion to create sub committee under TC to continue this QoP work
- John: why not form new TC
- Tim: may have to if this motion doesn't pass
- Kelvin: ran Tim's suggestions by Karl Best
- either approach would do (SC of TC, or new TC)
- if we create SC of TC, would have to amend charter and get
approved
- Jeff: supports proposal
- PhilHB: concerning new TC versus adding to this TC
- opposed to PKIX model of creating standing groups
- prefers more, shorter-lived TC
- supports spinning off separate TC, rather than creating SC
in this TC
- John: along same lines, MS has number of people who would like to
participate, and they are not security people
- this is a very important area of work
- also a timing problem of such people getting voting status
- Tim: are you (John) willing to commit such involvement
- John: generally, yes
- Jerry: nothing has prevented such people from participating in
discussion list as observers
- John: reiterates this is more than just security
- Jeff: reiterates that observers may participate, but cannot vote
- John: disagrees, sees that as second-class citizenship
- Hal: points out that this has been identified by this group as
necessary, and will require close coordination with this group
- John: can be done through close liaisons
- Tony: in reading QoP group material, couldn't grasp requirements
that were being worked towards
- Chris: before voting, we'd have to change charter, etc.
- BillC: can vote on whether we want to go down this path
- Kelvin: reiterates Karl Best's concerns that such a change would
require a change to the charter
- Prateek: makes motion
- The WSS TC resolves to form a sub-committee and instructs its
members to advance the work of the QoP discussion group to
OASIS standard by the Summer of 2003
- Kelvin: not comfortable explicitly creating subcommittee (which
requires a charter change) without changing charter first and
letting the TC approve that
- time for call expiring, and lots of people exiting call
- attempts to call quorum, so that vote can be taken
- motion tabled, will be taken up at next meeting
- PhilG: on 25 November, Monica Martin and Phil Griffin made a
submission, and never got response whether this TC would accept and
work on this submission
- Kelvin: recalls that we decided to accept it, and directed PhilG
to shepherd the work without significant impact to core and its
schedule
>
> 7. Adjourn
>
- Adjourned
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Attendance of Voting Members:
Steve Anderson OpenNetwork
Toufic Boubez Layer 7
Conor Cahill AOL
Paul Cotton Microsoft
William Cox BEA
Venkat Danda IONA Technology
Martijn de Boer SAP
Yassir Elley Sun Microsystems
Don Flinn Quadrasis
Eric Gravengaard Reactivity
Phil Griffin Griffin Consulting
Phillip Hallam-Baker Verisign
Erick Herring Digital Evolution
Frederick Hirsch Nokia
Jeff Hodges Sun Microsystems
Maryann Hondo IBM
Merlin Hughes Baltimore Technologies
Chris Kaler Microsoft
Charles Knouse Oblix
Yutaka Kudo Hitachi
Guillermo Lao ContentGuard
Kelvin Lawrence IBM
Hal Lockhart Entegrity Solutions
Monica Martin Drake Certivo, Inc.
Prateek Mishra Netegrity
Ronald Monzillo Sun Microsystems
Bob Morgan (individual)
Ron Moritz Computer Associates
Tim Moses Entrust
Anthony Nadalin IBM
Andrew Nash RSA Security
Toshihiro Nishimura Fujitsu
Mark Nobles LMI
Rob Philpott RSA Security
Hemma Prafullchandra Verisign
Irving Reid Baltimore Technologies
Jason Rouault HP
Vipin Samar Oracle
Senthil Sengodan Nokia
Shawn Sharp Cyclone Commerce
John Shewchuk Microsoft
Andrew Sweet Perficient
Gene Thurston AmberPoint
Steve Trythall Sonic Software
Sam Wei Documentum
John Weiland Navy
Rob Weltman Netscape/AOL
Pete Wenzel SeeBeyond
Attendance of Observers or Prospective Members:
Lloyd Burch Novell
Takashi Kojo NEC
Hank Simon Lockheed Martin
Membership Status Changes:
(none)
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Steve
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