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Subject: RE: [wss] Use Cases for the Interop Demo
1) Have we made a final decision about whether OASIS WSS TC
will produce any Web Service/SOAP Message-level security
interoperability use cases?
2) A similar thread is currently begun on the WS-I Security
WG currently and I'm not sure whether the WSS TC will take
the lead or WS-I will take the lead and agreeing on a
Basic Profile for SOAP Message Security Interoperability.
3) Lastly, what is our understanding of leveraging QoP spec
for interoperability demo? It would be useful to agree
on the mimimum interoperability requirments that are
characterized in terms of standardized parameters.
thanks,
Zahid
-----Original Message-----
From: Anthony Nadalin [mailto:drsecure@us.ibm.com]
Sent: Sunday, January 12, 2003 8:17 PM
To: wss@lists.oasis-open.org
Subject: RE: [wss] Use Cases for the Interop Demo
hmmm, never zeroed in on the Why's in regards to "Evangelism and Exposure
to potential users", I'm most concerned about secure interoperability of
web services (yea, that can mean a lot of things to different folks). But I
do believe that they are all linked Who, What, When, Where and Why, so from
that point I disagree that they are interdependent.
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Anthony & Krishna
I believe that we need to get answers to the traditional - Who, What, When,
Where and Why. These are all more or less interdependent. The Where
question that you and Krishna are discussing depends upon the Why as well
as, to a lesser extent, the others. For example, I believe that one of the
important Why's is to flesh out problems with the specification as it
presently stands. I don't believe that we, the TC, have agreed on the list
of Why's and their priority. Therefore, discussion of the Where should be
subsequent to or concurrent with the Why. You and Krishna have zeroed in
on the Why's of Interoperability, Evangelism and Exposure to potential
users. These are all good goals but are these the Prime goals of the
"Fest"? (Maybe using the term Interoperability as the title of the event
is misleading or pejorative, or maybe not.)
Don
-----Original Message-----
From: Anthony Nadalin [mailto:drsecure@us.ibm.com]
Sent: Sun 1/12/2003 11:05 AM
To: wss@lists.oasis-open.org
Cc:
Subject: RE: [wss] Use Cases for the Interop Demo
Krishna,
I understand the point as we participated in the interop last
year and
looking for a ways to improve as I'm not sure we all saw the
same benefit.
We should be looking for a way to show secure web service
interoperability
with all aspects of WSS-Core in as may "production" type
systems as
posible. The issue here is that we should be working to show
interoperability not necessarily visibility. What you have
pointed out are
the goals of organizations such as WS-I security charter
("demonstrate that
different-independent-implementations can have the same common
shared view
of the various elements and work together") and we should be
working with
these groups not creating an independent effort.
So my point is if you truly want to show interoperability
wouldn't it best
to show this at a Web services interoperability conference,
I'm sure that
the proper press coverage would be there if that is what we
are looking
for.
Anthony Nadalin | work 512.436.9568 | cell 512.289.4122
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Anthony,
With due respect to you, I think you are missing
the point. I
suggest you talk with the participants of last year's SAML
interop demo
and get a feel of what we are trying to achieve here.
The interop demo is to evangelize the security
substrate and
standards that constitute that layer, to the users. The Burton
group
conference (and similar venues - in the US and outside US) is
a better
venue for this.
We want to increase the visibility and
understanding of the
standards with the users as well as demonstrate that
different-independent-implementations can have the same common
shared
view of the various elements and work together. IMHO, WS-I,
which is a
specification body, understands the power of standards and
does not
require evangelization.
cheers
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Anthony Nadalin [mailto:drsecure@us.ibm.com]
> Sent: Sunday, January 12, 2003 7:29 AM
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> Is this something that OASIS should sponsor and not the
> Burton group, maybe
> this could happen at the WS-I F2F in March as a prelude to
> the WS-I basic
> security profile.
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> Anthony Nadalin | work 512.436.9568 | cell 512.289.4122
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> Hi Krishna
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>
> Happy New Year to you. I am doing well and I hope this
> coming year finds
> you the same.
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>
> My recollection of the Interop Fest (I'm not sure that a
name has been
> chosen) was that it was definitely something that the
> majority of the TC
> wanted to do and most felt that it would be very useful in
> shaking out any
> problems in the specification. The only date mentioned was
the first
> quarter of this year. No place or accompanying event was
> decided or even
> discussed.
>
>
>
> If the TC is going to have something in the first quarter we
> have to start
> planning now. I'm happy to hear that you would be
interested in
> participating in the event. The practical insight of Cisco
> would be very
> important in having real world scenarios.
>
>
>
> Can we get some additions hands raised for interest in the
event?
>
>
>
> Kelvin - Can we add an item to the agenda for Jan 14th to
kick off
> discussion on the interop fest.
>
>
>
> Don
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Krishna Sankar [mailto:ksankar@cisco.com]
> Sent: Sat 1/11/2003 11:02 PM
> To: Flinn, Don
> Cc:
> Subject: RE: [wss] Use Cases for the Interop
Demo
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> Don,
>
> How are you doing ? Happy New year.
>
> Don't know if this is an opportunity
for
> interop demo
> for the
> Burton conference. I think it is.
>
> Also, I would be interested in
participating.
>
> cheers
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Flinn, Don
[mailto:Don.Flinn@quadrasis.com]
> > Sent: Friday, January 10, 2003 3:38 PM
> > To: wss@lists.oasis-open.org
> > Subject: [wss] Use Cases for the Interop Demo
> >
> >
> > Hi all
> >
> > Some discussion took place at the last F2F
> about the need
> for
> > some use cases for the proposed Interop Demo.
> I've attached
> > a few use cases for discussion. There is one
> base case and
> > two variations. I also think that it would
be
> useful to
> have
> > a standard format for the use cases, so I
> propose the one I
> > have used. This is the format that was used
> by the XACML TC
> > with a few modifications by myself. Let's
have some
> > discussion on the format and the proposed use
cases.
> >
> > Don
> >
> > <<federation.doc>>
> >
>
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>
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