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Subject: RE: [xacml] Notes for the call: Proposed Agenda, Sept. 19 Concal l...



I really don't appreciate being quoted out of context from private
e-mails.

-Polar

On Wed, 18 Sep 2002, Daniel Engovatov wrote:

> It is possible I will have to miss the call.
>
> I wanted to submit a vote on Funciton 0.9/0.11 additions
> - I want to ask you to review my posts for the details.
> I am opposed to the inclusion of "higher-order" functions into the spec
> until the semantics of the function extension point is clarified.
>
> 1) There was no use case presented that requires such addition.  None.
>
> 2) While <Match> restrictions, as we discussed with Polar today, do solve
> the issue with suitability of Match for indexing - it is not even needed, if
> we do not specify the syntax that causes the need for this written
> restrictions
>
> 3) Quting Polar: "Huh? From inside the extension function you can do what
> ever you want. It's your ball game."   I very much disagree that we should
> just drop the ball on trying to specify a useful portable semantics and
> definitions for extensions.  Any language is as useful as its libraries.
>
> 4) If we decide to use "map" functions with return type specified by one of
> its argument, we may just as well allow simple overloading of function names
> based on the type of its argument. Then - specifying comparison operator to
> be overloaded, in the same way, for bag arguments will eliminate the need
> for the additions (if there was any).
>
> While I understand that many do not care about this area - in my opnion it
> is a deciding factor in XACML usability.
>
> Regards,
> Daniel
>
>
>
> 10:00-10:05 Roll Call and Agenda Review
> 10:05-10:10 Vote to accept minutes of September 12 concall
> http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/xacml/200209/msg000
> <http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/xacml/200209/msg000> 90.html
> 10:10-10:15 Review of Action Items (see 9/12 minutes)
> 10:15-10:30 Discussion (and vote?) on the Functions 0.9 draft (Polar,
> Daniel)
> 10:30-10:40 Discussion (and vote?) on remaining v0.16 technical change
> requests (all)
> 10:40-10:50 XACML Primer discussion (Konstantin, Hal)
> 10:50-10:55 Discussion of XACML token submission for WSS (Tim, Carlisle)
>
> 10:55-11:00 Discussion of schedule for Committee Spec (Carlisle)
>
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