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Subject: Minutes of XACML TC Meeting 20 March 2003

XACML TC Meeting - 20 March 2003 10am

  Anne Anderson - minute taker
  Carlisle Adams
  Tony Nadalin - prospective
  Michiharu Kudo
  Ken Yagen
  Tim Moses
  Simon Godik
  Maryann Hondo - prospective?
  Hal Lockhart

Quorum present.

1. Previous minutes

   Approved 2nd Draft Minutes from 6 March 2003 TC meeting
   From: Anne Anderson
   Date: Thu, 06 Mar 2003 14:36:22 -0500
   Subject: [xacml] 2nd Draft Minutes of 6 March 2003 TC Meeting

2. Status of XACML 1.1 possible work items

   Concrete problem statements due by 3 April 2003.

   a) Fully specify hierarchical resources [Simon lead; Satoshi,

        From: Anne Anderson <Anne.Anderson@Sun.COM>
        Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 13:27:42 -0500
        To: XACML TC <xacml@lists.oasis-open.org>
        Subject: [xacml] Problem Statement for "Fully specify hierarchical resources"

   b) Define new combining algorithms for deterministic
      Obligations. [Michiharu lead?]

      NOT DONE.

   c) ebXML: Allow references to Rules (as we now allow for
      policies and policy sets) [Anne]

        From: Anne Anderson <Anne.Anderson@sun.com>
        Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 09:39:37 -0500
        To: XACML TC <xacml@lists.oasis-open.org>
        Subject: [xacml] Concrete problem statement for references to rules

   d) Incorporate fixes for errata 

      ACTION ITEM: Simon Godik.

   e) Condition reference: From the policy, a specific condition
      expression is referred to by using condition ID that is
      defined in the condition definition block. [Michiharu]

        From: "Michiharu Kudoh" <KUDO@jp.ibm.com>
        Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 20:21:59 +0900
        To: XACML TC <xacml@lists.oasis-open.org>
        Subject: [xacml] Problem Statement for "Condition Reference"

   f) Properties for new combining algorithms [Michiharu]

        From: "Michiharu Kudoh" <KUDO@jp.ibm.com>
        Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 20:06:14 +0900
        To: XACML TC <xacml@lists.oasis-open.org>
        Subject: [xacml] Problem Statement for "Properties for new combining algorithms"

   g) Obligations in rule element [Michiharu]  DONE

      DONE: http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/xacml/200303/msg00006.html

   h) Define any elements needed in the XACML schemas for use by
      a Digital Signature envelope for XACML [Anne; proposals

      NONE NEEDED.  Item closed unless proposal submitted.

   i) Add an ID Attribute so can reference elements easily for
      use with Digital Signatures.

      ACTION ITEM: Simon

3. Status of XACML 2.0 items

   4. XACML Extensions
      a) Web Services Policy Language (WSPL) [Anne lead; Tim,
         Simon, Maryann, Tony]

         Use cases, requirements posted:
           From: Tim Moses <tim.moses@entrust.com>
           Date: Fri, 07 Mar 2003 11:46:27 -0500
           To: "'XACML'" <xacml@lists.oasis-open.org>
           Subject: [xacml] WSPL use-cases

         Anne posted a proposal:
           From: Anne Anderson <Anne.Anderson@sun.com>
           Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 09:21:17 -0500
           To: XACML TC <xacml@lists.oasis-open.org>
           Subject: [xacml] Evaluating XACML as a Policy Language - Draft 2.0

         Tim to post a proposal today
         Tony, Maryann will submit alternate proposals

      b) Information about how/where to obtain policies and
         attributes; how to authenticate them (e.g. trust anchors)

         STATUS: Probably not to be submitted until WSPL work is

   7. XACML for privacy policies (exploration of whether and how
      XACML can be used to express privacy policies) [Carlisle lead;
      Bill, Simon, Michiharu]

      STATUS: Carlisle has done some thinking about this; hopes
      to write up in next few weeks.  Simon may also post
      something, but will definitely participate in discussion.
      IBM Zurich has done some work in this area: EPAL; Tony will
      send URL to mailing list.  W3C is starting up privacy work
      with web services: P3P.

   2f) Define a set of domain-specific identifiers (action,
      combining algorithm etc.) that are used in well-known
      domains e.g. UNIX ACL, Windows, database ... [Michiharu]

      STATUS: Michiharu will start posting around April or May.

4. WSPL Sub-committee

   Tentative plan to hold WSPL subcommittee meetings on Mondays
   from 10-11am, starting 31 March 2003.  To be confirmed on the
   mailing list (some members may not be available; depends on
   additional proposals to mailing list that need voice-to-voice

   Try to put "WSPL" in the Subject line for WSPL topics on
   mailing list.

5. Conformance Test Suite

   STATUS: several updates posted.  Most recent:
        From: Anne Anderson <Anne.Anderson@Sun.COM>
        Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 14:17:17 -0500
        To: XACML TC <xacml@lists.oasis-open.org>,
           XACML COMMENT <xacml-comment@lists.oasis-open.org>
        Subject: [xacml-comment] Updated XACML Conformance Test Suite

   New tests submitted by Satoshi Hada not yet incorporated, but
   will be soon.  Possibility of Satoshi taking over maintenance
   of the Test Suite: Michiharu and Satoshi will discuss

6. Meeting time

   Possibility of changing meeting time to be more convenient for
   Japan.  10am EST is midnight Japan time.  Daylight Saving Time
   will start 1st Sunday of April in US and last Sunday in March
   in EU.  Michiharu prefers 11pm to 7am Japan time.  Gerald is
   only European member currently.  Carlisle will post some
   options to mailing list.

7. Primer: Brief Introduction to XACML

   Sun has contributed document to XACML:
        From: Anne Anderson <Anne.Anderson@sun.com>
        Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 12:36:02 -0500
        To: XACML TC <xacml@lists.oasis-open.org>
        Subject: [xacml] Contribution: A Brief Introduction to XACML

   Hal says almost no overlap with the document he is composing.

9. Implementer's Guide

   Hal posted a Word version of the Implementer's Guide:
        From: Hal Lockhart <hlockhar@bea.com>
        Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 11:59:25 -0500
        To: xacml@lists.oasis-open.org
        Subject: [xacml] Initial Implementer's Guide

   One comment has come in on mis-interpretation of one of the
   combining algorithms and meaning of "singleton bag":
        From: Satoshi Hada <SATOSHIH@jp.ibm.com>
        Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 10:57:41 +0900
        To: xacml@lists.oasis-open.org
        Subject: Re: [xacml] Initial Implementer's Guide

10. XACML XML DSig Profile

    Updated version posted:
        From: Anne Anderson <Anne.Anderson@Sun.COM>
        Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 09:30:09 -0500
        To: XACML TC <xacml@lists.oasis-open.org>
        Subject: [xacml] XACML XML DSig Profile 0.2

11. Input to SAML 2.0

   Revised document posted:
        From: Anne Anderson <Anne.Anderson@sun.com>
        Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 09:11:34 -0500
        To: XACML TC <xacml@lists.oasis-open.org>
        Subject: [xacml] SAML Profile draft

   Schedule vote on submitting to SAML for next TC meeting.  Post
   comments in the next week, so we can update proposal prior to
   vote if necessary.

12. Simon Godik's e-mail to list being rejected.

   Current address is: simon.godik@overxeer.com

   Hal will fix this on the xacml list.

13. Upcoming meetings

    17 Mar 2003, 10-11am EST:  XACML Focus Group
    31 Mar 2003, 10-11am EST: XACML WSPL SC (tentative)
     3 Apr 2003, 10-11am EDT: XACML TC

Adjourned at 10:48am.

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