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Subject: RE: [xacml] RE: Media types


All,


Since we've now decided to define the JSON format in a separate specification instead of in the Media Types profile, I propose the following course of action:

(1) Let the JSON format specification contain the IANA media type registration details for application/xacml+json
(2) Register the XML format (application/xacml+xml) through an IETF RFC
(3) Skip the Media Types profile altogether

What do you think?


Thanks,
Ray



From: Robin Cover [mailto:robin@oasis-open.org] 
Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2012 7:32 PM
To: xacml@lists.oasis-open.org; Hal Lockhart
Cc: Barbir, Abbie; Sinnema, Remon; bill@parducci.net; ptyson@bh.com; Radhakrishnan, Rakesh; Marian, Radu; Robin Cover
Subject: Re: [xacml] RE: Media types

Re:

> The progress of this specification should be completely
> independent to moving the Core to OASIS Standard.

Maybe "completely independent" (?) but please note:

Just a reminder (though not to contradict Hal) that there
is direction from IETF/IANA (and evidence of enforcement)
that if an RFC is not used to define the media/mine type(s),
or maybe even if so, then the definition/description of the
proposed media types must be made in a **standard**
when a non-IETF SSO/SDO is making the registration
request.

Is the XACML TC intending to approve and publish the document
"XACML Media Types Version 1.0" as an OASIS Standard?

Details:

======================================================

[emph added in "**  ... **"]

http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc4288#section-4.10
4.10. Publication Requirements

Proposals for media types registered in the standards
tree by the IETF itself MUST be published as RFCs.
RFC publication of vendor and personal media type
proposals is encouraged but not required.  In all
cases the IANA will retain copies of all media type
proposals and "publish" them as part of the media
types registration tree itself.

As stated previously, standards tree registrations
for **media types defined in documents produced by
other standards bodies MUST be described by a
formal standards specification produced by that body.**
Such specifications MUST contain an appropriate
media type registration template taken from Section
10.  Additionally, the copyright on the registration
template MUST allow the IANA to copy it into the
IANA registry.

[...]

Proposed registrations in the standards tree by other
standards bodies should be communicated to the IESG
(at iesg@ietf.org) and to the ietf-types list 
(at ietf-types@iana.org).  Prior posting as an Internet
Draft is not required for these registrations, but
may be helpful to the IESG and is encouraged.

======================================================

Tracking:

Register XACML Media Type with IANA
http://tools.oasis-open.org/issues/browse/TCADMIN-844

Compare:
http://tools.oasis-open.org/issues/browse/TCADMIN-613

"Media Type Specifications and Registration Procedures" 
Request for Comments: 4288 
http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc4288 
http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc4288#section-10 
See: http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc4288#section-5.2 

Please keep me in the loop here; Ray, I have some
comments/corrections for the WD 02 revision of
"XACML Media Types Version 1.0"

- Robin

Robin Cover
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On Thu, May 3, 2012 at 12:03 PM, Hal Lockhart <hal.lockhart@oracle.com> wrote:
The progress of this specification should be completely independent to moving the Core to OASIS Standard.

Hal

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Barbir, Abbie [mailto:abbie.barbir@bankofamerica.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2012 11:38 AM
> To: remon.sinnema@emc.com; bill@parducci.net; ptyson@bh.com
> Cc: xacml@lists.oasis-open.org; Radhakrishnan, Rakesh; Marian, Radu
> Subject: RE: [xacml] RE: Media types
>
> All
> Need to define the impact on the ITU submission I suggest that we do
> not choose a solution that delay the submission
>
> Regards
> Abbie
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: xacml@lists.oasis-open.org [mailto:xacml@lists.oasis-open.org] On
> Behalf Of remon.sinnema@emc.com
> Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2012 11:28 AM
> To: bill@parducci.net; ptyson@bh.com
> Cc: xacml@lists.oasis-open.org
> Subject: RE: [xacml] RE: Media types
>
> Bill, Paul,
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: xacml@lists.oasis-open.org [mailto:xacml@lists.oasis-open.org]
> > On Behalf Of Bill Parducci
> > Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2012 5:05 PM
> > To: Tyson, Paul H
> > Cc: Sinnema, Remon; xacml@lists.oasis-open.org
> > Subject: Re: [xacml] RE: Media types
> >
> >
> > On Apr 24, 2012, at 7:47 AM, Tyson, Paul H wrote:
> >
> > > However, I don't think this profile is the right place to define a
> > JSON mapping for XACML. That should be a different document.
> >
> > Agreed. If nothing else, the scope of work of the JSON mapping should
> > not impede the progress of defining typing IMO.
>
> That's fine with me. However, you can't register a MIME media type if
> the format is undefined, so the Media Types profile would have to wait
> until the JSON profile is done. The registration must contain or link
> to the format specification.
>
>
> Thanks,
> Ray
>
>
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