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1) XRI of the parties involved. In any contract, we need to specify the
parties involed.
2) templateID: this points to the contract template, in which other
information like parties can be inserted to make it a complete contract.
3) Jurisdiction: We need to specify in which jurisdiction this contract is
governed.
4) date: we need date in the contract
5) dsig: Digital Signature of some form.
Any thoughts?
Nat
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I'd propose a different answer to =
this
question. If you look at it in XDI graph terms, there is a critical =
difference
between a Link relationship and a Resource relationship. Resource =
relationships
are purely acyclic (hierarchical) – they can define only trees. =
Link
relationships are cyclic – they join two trees, or join the =
branches or
leaves of a single tree.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>When this acyclic vs. cyclic model =
is
applied to XDI as an endless acyclic graph (a web) capable of describing =
all
data, then the root of every tree in this web is an *<b><span =
style=3D'font-weight:
bold'>authority</span></b>*. Exactly like the root of every website =
– a home
page – has an authority responsible for its content (both =
technically and
legally).<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>In short: the question of link vs.
resource is the question of: who's data is it? Who controls the =
identifiers and
assertions being made at any point in the =
graph?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I believe this authority control =
element
is absolutely vital to XDI. It is the heart of what distinguishes it =
from RDF,
which provides very rich data description, XML, which provides very =
extensible
data representation, and HTTP, which provides very flexible content =
exchange
and negotiation.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>What XDI is able to model that is =
not
natively done in these other bodies of work is data authority and =
agreement
between data authorities (link contracts). That's why it is such a =
fundamental
solution to problems of privacy and data =
protection.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Net net: this is why I believe =
links are
such a vital feature of the proposed XDI metaschema, and also the heart =
of link
contracts.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I'm working on more detailed =
examples to
illustrate this but don't expect to get them posted until late =
tomorrow.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>=3DDrummond =
<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<div>
<div class=3DMsoNormal align=3Dcenter style=3D'text-align:center'><font =
size=3D3
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>
<hr size=3D2 width=3D"100%" align=3Dcenter tabindex=3D-1>
</span></font></div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font =
size=3D2
face=3DTahoma><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> Loren =
West
[mailto:loren.west@epok.net] <br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Monday, <st1:date =
Year=3D"2004"
Day=3D"24" Month=3D"5" ls=3D"trans" w:st=3D"on">May 24, 2004</st1:date> =
<st1:time
Minute=3D"45" Hour=3D"16" w:st=3D"on">4:45 PM</st1:time><br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> 'Sakimura, Nat';
xdi@lists.oasis-open.org<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> RE: [xdi] What =
is
"link" after all?</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblue face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:blue'>Hello =
XDI'ers,</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblue face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:blue'>If I understand it correctly, the
difference between <link> and <resource> isn't as much if =
it's
cached as if the containing resource is the "owner" of the =
contained
resource (they're often the same, but it's a subtle =
difference).</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblue face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:blue'>The presence or absence of a =
LinkContract
governing the relationship provides the same information, and I'm with =
you -
the XML doesn't need to be different based on this characteristic of the
relationship.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblue face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:blue'>This is similar to my argument =
that the
XRI identifier shouldn't be different because of this characteristic of =
the
relationship.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblue face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:blue'>Not to diminish the importance of =
this
characteristic, it's just that neither the identifier nor the XML tag =
should
change when this attribute of the relationship (inevitably) =
changes.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblue face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:blue'>As far as your proposal for =
LinkContract
portion, I see two different threads:</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblue face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:blue'>1) Where does it go within the XDI
document, and</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblue face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:blue'>2) What is its =
structure</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblue face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:blue'>I propose we handle these in two =
separate
email threads because each has a life of it's =
own.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblue face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:blue'>=3DLoren</span></font><o:p></o:p></=
p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><font size=3D2 =
face=3DTahoma><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>-----Original =
Message-----<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b> Sakimura, Nat
[mailto:n-sakimura@nri.co.jp] <br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, =
<st1:date
Year=3D"2004" Day=3D"19" Month=3D"5" ls=3D"trans" w:st=3D"on">May 19, =
2004</st1:date> <st1:time
Minute=3D"55" Hour=3D"19" w:st=3D"on">7:55 PM</st1:time><br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> =
xdi@lists.oasis-open.org<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> [xdi] What is
"link" after all?</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt'>Before going any further, I wanted to come back to this point =
once
again. Since people who were not present at NOLA f2f did not have a =
chance to
get involved in the lengthy discussion there, I think it is worthwhile =
to
revisit it online. </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt'>So, what is "link" after all? =
</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt'>If I remember correctly, the main difference from =
<resource> and
<link> in Drummond's model is that the later is the cached copy of =
the
former. In another word, <resource> is authoritative, and =
<link> is
not. Is that right? </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3D"MS PGothic"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"MS PGothic"'>If it is the real reason, then IMHO it is not =
a very
strong reason to difine <link> as the first class object, but some
attribute of it e.g. <resource =
status=3D"non-authoritative">
would do. </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3D"MS PGothic"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"MS PGothic"'>I have always viewd the "Contract" a =
very
important feature of XNS because it is a touch point of the cyber world =
and the
real world. To be acceptable as a legal contract, it should have certain
qualities, and I believe "Link Contract" should satisfy them. =
This
means that we have to impose certain structure to it: more than just =
what has
been discribed in Drummond's draft. This precicely is the reason why I =
drew up
a version which had much more structure in it. =
</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3D"MS PGothic"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"MS PGothic"'>Let me extract my version of the
"LinkContract" from the uploaded meta-schema for the =
readability. </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3D"MS PGothic"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"MS PGothic"'><element =
name=3D"LinkContract"><br>
</span></font><font size=3D2><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'> </span></font><font
size=3D2 face=3D"MS PGothic"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"MS =
PGothic"'><complexContent><br>
</span></font><font size=3D2><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'> </span></font><font
size=3D2 face=3D"MS PGothic"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"MS PGothic"'>
<extension base=3D"Resource"><br>
</span></font><font size=3D2><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'> </span></font><font
size=3D2 face=3D"MS PGothic"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"MS PGothic"'>
<sequence><br>
</span></font><font size=3D2><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'> </span></f=
ont><font
size=3D2 face=3D"MS PGothic"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"MS PGothic"'>
<element name=3D"parties" type=3D"Xri"><br>
</span></font><font size=3D2><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'> &nbs=
p; </span></font><font
size=3D2 face=3D"MS PGothic"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"MS PGothic"'>
<complexType><br>
</span></font><font size=3D2><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'> &nbs=
p; </span></font><font
size=3D2 face=3D"MS PGothic"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"MS PGothic"'>
<sequence><br>
</span></font><font size=3D2><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'> &nbs=
p; </span></font><font
size=3D2 face=3D"MS PGothic"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"MS PGothic"'>
<element name=3D"party" type=3D"Xri"<br>
</span></font><font size=3D2><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'> &nbs=
p; </span></font><fo=
nt
size=3D2 face=3D"MS PGothic"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"MS PGothic"'>
minOccurs=3D"2" maxOccurs=3D"unbounded"/><br>
</span></font><font size=3D2><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'> &nbs=
p; </span></font><font
size=3D2 face=3D"MS PGothic"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"MS PGothic"'>
</sequence><br>
</span></font><font size=3D2><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'> &nbs=
p; </span></font><font
size=3D2 face=3D"MS PGothic"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"MS PGothic"'>
</complexType><br>
</span></font><font size=3D2><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'> </span></f=
ont><font
size=3D2 face=3D"MS PGothic"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"MS PGothic"'>
</element><br>
</span></font><font size=3D2><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'> </span></f=
ont><font
size=3D2 face=3D"MS PGothic"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"MS PGothic"'>
<element name=3D"jurisdiction" type=3D"Xri" =
/><br>
</span></font><font size=3D2><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'> </span></f=
ont><font
size=3D2 face=3D"MS PGothic"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"MS PGothic"'>
<element name=3D"templateID" type=3D"Xri" =
/><br>
</span></font><font size=3D2><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'> </span></f=
ont><font
size=3D2 face=3D"MS PGothic"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"MS PGothic"'>
<element name=3D"date" type=3D"Xri" /><br>
</span></font><font size=3D2><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'> </span></f=
ont><font
size=3D2 face=3D"MS PGothic"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"MS PGothic"'>
<element name=3D"dsig" type=3D"ds:Signature" =
/><br>
</span></font><font size=3D2><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'> </span></font><font
size=3D2 face=3D"MS PGothic"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"MS PGothic"'>
</sequence><br>
</span></font><font size=3D2><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'> </span></font><font
size=3D2 face=3D"MS PGothic"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"MS PGothic"'>
</extension><br>
</span></font><font size=3D2><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'> </span></font><font
size=3D2 face=3D"MS PGothic"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"MS =
PGothic"'></complexContent><br>
</element></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3D"MS PGothic"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"MS PGothic"'>I wrote it as an extension to Resource, but =
equally,
it could be a stand alone element. What I would like to discuss in this =
thread
is not the construction of the schema (there are many ways to represent =
objects
in XML schema, as you know), but on what kind of information the =
"Link
Contract" should have. </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3D"MS PGothic"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"MS PGothic"'>From the above, you probably can see that I am
proposing following things to be included in the "Link =
Contract". </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3D"MS PGothic"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"MS PGothic"'>1) XRI of the parties involved. In any =
contract, we
need to specify the parties involed. </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3D"MS PGothic"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"MS PGothic"'>2) templateID: this points to the contract =
template,
in which other information like parties can be inserted to make it a =
complete
contract. </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3D"MS PGothic"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"MS PGothic"'>3) Jurisdiction: We need to specify in which
jurisdiction this contract is governed. </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3D"MS PGothic"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"MS PGothic"'>4) date: we need date in the =
contract</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3D"MS PGothic"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"MS PGothic"'>5) dsig: Digital Signature of some form. =
</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3D"MS PGothic"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"MS PGothic"'>Any thoughts? </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3D"MS PGothic"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"MS PGothic"'>Nat</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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