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Subject: Minutes: XDI TC Telecon Friday 2013-04-05

XDI TC Minutes

Following are the minutes of the unofficial telecon of the XDI TC at:

Date:  Friday, 5 April 2013 USA
Time:  09:00AM - 10:30AM Pacific Time (16:00-17:30 UTC)


Markus Sabadello

Les Chasen

Drummond Reed

Phil Windley

Joseph Boyle

Animesh Chowdhury



Markus took a look at it. He said the XML looks reasonably simple.

He suggests that we should look at Docbook editors. He said you have to install several tools as an editor in order to generate files.

# ALL EDITORS - look over the Docbook template and prepare questions.

# DRUMMOND - email Chet and Ken about a Q & A call with Ken.


This week's decision queue is the following set of proposals:


After last week’s discussions about the JSON data model, Markus and Drummond have worked up an ABNF that reflects the JSON model but goes further to address a key missing feature that the JSON model did not address, which is the distinction between entities and attributes that was captured in the Context Functions proposal. This ABNF is in the latest comment on the ABNF discussion page:


See also these related pages:




Following is an example of the one revision that the proposed new ABNF requires in the syntax compared to last week’s consensus: that attribute contexts are enclosed in < > brackets and value contexts are enclosed in << >>  brackets.  An example of what this looks like for a set of 3 email addresses follows. In this example:















Markus showed an updated version of the XDI2 Validator tool that works with the proposed new ABNF.

He noted one problem: ! segments cannot contain other ! segments.

# DRUMMOND to check into this.

We talked about variants on the <<datatype>> syntax. The preference was still to use double chevrons, although it would be nice if this was not needed.

There was feedback from developer meetings during the previous week that questioned how necessary it was to have the data type.

# DRUMMOND to check into alternatives.


Joseph and Drummond were able to meet last Thursday to go over new options for the JSON serialization that could be more developer friendly by not requiring parsing of the XDI subject/predicate keys in order to build an XDI graph object model (GOM).

Joseph ran us through his proposal for an alternate JSON serialization.


The basic structure is:

The benefit is that parsing is already done. A developer can just serialize the graph object model directly without parsing.

The consensus was that it would be good to have a standard graph object model. Markus showed the UML model he had developed for the second generation XDI graph model:



# JOSEPH AND MARKUS - produce a UML model that corresponds to the ABNF and look at the options for how to serialize this directly.


The decision queue stack is shown on the following three auto-generated Category pages:




See also this list of proposals that need to be developed:



The next call is next week at the regular time.

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