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Subject: Re: [xdi] FW: [Dnssec-deployment] 3 years on, 1/3 done?

Neil, I'm racing to get ready for my vacation so a few quick bullet points:
I hope this helps. Note that I'll be offline on vacation for the next week.



On Sat, Jul 20, 2013 at 3:08 AM, Neil McEvoy <neil.mcevoy@ifossfoundation.org> wrote:

If XDI is crystalizing, what are the likely next steps for broader adoption, in laymans terms?

I understood the concept of i-names and the associated directories - Is that still the implementation model? So would the goal be to build out that type of supplier industry?

Regards, Neil.

On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 8:06 PM, Drummond Reed <drummond.reed@xdi.org> wrote:
Les, thanks for sending this (I did finally get it once we debugged the XDI.org mail server).

I think you are very right. Another way to look at it is that "simple is hard". Working out the XDI graph model so that it is "as simple as possible but no simpler" has taken a good long time.

Good things take time ;-)



On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 8:46 AM, Chasen, Les <les.chasen@neustar.biz> wrote:
Hi all,

I am forwarding this email from a DNSSEC email list because of this quote
at the end of the email.

        "things that take a long time to mature seem to live longer"

I think this applies to XDI.  Read the whole note below.  It has a few
references that you may find interesting.

- Les

-----Original Message-----
From: Edward Lewis <ed.lewis@neustar.biz>
Date: Friday, July 19, 2013 8:29 AM
To: "dnssec-deployment@dnssec-deployment.org"
Cc: "Lewis, Ed" <Lewis@neustar.biz>
Subject: Re: [Dnssec-deployment] 3 years on, 1/3 done?

>On Jul 16, 2013, at 6:15, Jan-Piet Mens wrote:
>> I hope you'll forgive my sarcasm.
>I've been staring at this in my in-box wondering if there's a worthwhile
>The fact that 1/3rd of the TLDs are signed is not a statement that it is
>taking off, in fact, the number of signed TLDs has been fairly flat for
>many months.  In this calendar year very few TLDs have started signing, 3
>"ascii" ccTLDs and 2 "idn" ccTLDs.  I've noticed newly signed TLDs this
>year on Jan 22, Apr 2, 5, 21, and Jun 20.  (My dates are the day after
>the event, when my monitors "pick it up.")  That's not a fast rise, less
>than one a month!
>There's even been a "retreat" - on May 8 one ccTLD ceased signing. In the
>past there's a case of a ccTLD signing, stopping, then resuming.  Natural
>course of engineering.
>In just about all TLDs where DS records are present for more than even,
>maybe, 2% of the delegations, there is a financial incentive.  Not just
>the example you've cited, but in just about all of them.  Where there's
>no incentive, DNSSEC is present but scant.  (Lesson - economics trumps
>"So what?"
>DNSSEC can be described as using a tank to kill a fly.  Or it can be the
>foundation of a more secured Internet, an enabler of DANE.  Expectations
>of adoption rate are set by someone's interest in seeing DNSSEC or an
>alternative succeed or fail.  But expectations are just figments of the
>Looking at other cases of something being created and then dispersed,
>things that take a long time to mature seem to live longer.  Biologically
>this has been studied, organisms that mature quickly have shorter
>lifespans. As with any scientific study, it's best to read the reports
>and check out the caveats.  (See papers like this
>http://www.senescence.info/comparative_biology.html and
>Engineers like spectacular growth rates.  Nature does not.
>PS. The Internet is 40 years old and still is used by only 1/3rd of the
>world's population. ;)  Just had to add that "red herring."
>Edward Lewis
>NeuStar                    You can leave a voice message at
>There are no answers - just tradeoffs, decisions, and responses.

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