Subject: Modified: 2nd Tuesday - Regular XLIFF OMOS TC telecenference (Conference Call)
Event Title: 2nd Tuesday - Regular XLIFF OMOS TC telecenference (Conference Call)
Date: Tuesday, 12 July 2016, 05:00pm to 06:00pm WEST
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1. Roll call
2. Approve meeting minutes from June 28, 2016
3. Welcome James Hayes
1. Technical Deliverables
latest PNG preview of the UML class diagram
Wiki on Papyrus: https://wiki.oasis-open.org/xliff-omos/WorkingWithPapyrus
Still referencing the lates diagram version from Lucian
Need to revamp work on JLIFF and possibly other bindings and serialization to have at leat three serializations to compare when talking about the abstract model.
Somewhat older email from Yves on JSON alpha implementation in Lynx
Spec GIT Request – update
Still working on the temporary GitHub repo
Robin said this is in progress and one of last decision points should happen around mid June. Once this becomes available it should be easy to migrate from the temporary github repo managed by merzbauer (dF)
The ticket has been reopened (https://issues.oasis-open.org/browse/TCADMIN-2303).
TBX Mapping based on a published paper https://www.localisation.ie/resources/publications/2015/260
This has been properly submitted by James on 24th May through the comment list
James has also joined the TC to help with publsihing this mapping.
Report from Working meetings at FESGILTT Dublin, June 7 and 8
XLIFF OMOS related draft minutes published
Move to approve the OMOS Info Session minutes
TMX Successor work?
May be possible to move ahead w/o the TMX IP transfer
See TMX Symposium minutes:
TC members, please use group e-mail for communication / comments
2. Assignment of editor roles for the technical deliverables
Actually, we're now ready to move on the TBX mapping front, we're just waiting for the git repo, could decide to move ahead on SVN with this one..
Tabled for JLIFF for now
OM, dF about to try and extract XML independent prose from the XLIFF 2 spec
3. TMX Contribution from ETSI
dF contacted Jamie on 18th Feb and 8th Mar, and March 30 but no answer so far.
Copyright transfer agreement needs to be negotiated between ETSI and OASIS.
Because this is dragging for so long we might think of dropping the work on TMX as such
See Report from Dublin TMX Symposium
Report from Dublin TMX Symposium
New: ISO TC37 SC3
Alan has been apponted as liaison here. OASIS requested to seek formal liaison status. dF to join SC3 in the meantime to assist work on TBX inline markup
ARIP TC (dF)
ISO/IEC JTC1 SC38 wrt reference architecture for big data. (dF)
XLIFF TC (Yves)
Alan looking for someone to write up a high level paper on Why XLIFF 2 (and XLIFF OMOS?)
dF to submit this as a proposal abstract for ASLING T&C38 http://www.asling.org/tc38/?page_id=2
Next meeting on July 26, 2016
1. Roll call – quorum achieved
2. Approval of June 28 meeting minutes
https://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/xliff-omos/email/archives/201607/msg00005.html – DF proposed, Chase seconded, no dissent
3. Welcome James Hayes from BYU (computational linguist, focused on conversion routines and mappings applied to TBX) Will be on the TC until at least end of August
1. XLIFF OM
a. Latest diagram posted here: https://github.com/DavidFatDavidF/XLIFFOM/blob/4ec8f66aad7a31536abd9ed6adac8ffb8c5170f8/model/Class_Diagram.PNG
[permalink to July 12 state]
b. Added sub-unit with corresponding source and target elements
As agreed before, a single data type is used to represent both segment and ignorable elements, distinguishing them by a boolean attribute, where sub-unit with segment=”yes” stands for <segment> and sub-unit with segment=”no” stands for <ignorable>.
The current diagram shows only <sc> from the array of atomic inlines, but others will be added later in the same fashion. They can all compose content together with text strings as a Primitive Type. We will also try to express as many XLIFF Constraints as possible.
c. The root data type is LIFF instead of XLIFF, as we want an XML independent interchange file format.
a. In a bit of trouble as Ryan has no bandwidth, while Yves is working today on ISO audit for his company.
b. We would also need to find out about expressivity limitations of JSON Schema, does any one have experience working with it?
Need to identify TC members who can work on JSON schema in parallel with work on LIFF OM
c. Robert: Could work on a draft schema / contribute to it although no expert – see spec on json-schema.org
d. Felix: Not much interest in declarative validation methods within W3C. Most validation techniques are custom code based.
e. dF: How do people check that a JSON file is well formed?
f. Chase: Not sure there exists a JSON validator. Checking is usually done within the APIs which contain the JSON structure. I have not heard of any validation platform for JSON other than custom code within APIs.
dF: CMIS TC has a JSON Browser Binding, it might be useful. Anyhow, it should be useful to have a transparent way to facilitate automated validation, at least for the structural part. I see however thet eventually we will have to develop some non-declarative validation methods. Just trying to keep declarative and hence transparent for as long and as deeep as possible. We should start a conversation on this topic on the mailing list. Robert, would you please share us your suggestions for tooling options?
g. dF: need to find way to facilitate the automatic validation of JSON file
h. Robert: JSON very pragmatic, community still not converging on schema, with preference given to low level approach using sample content instead of schema. For the sake of progress, we could draft a JSON schema based on the current specification.
dF: we don’t have a specification yet, just JLIFF examples on the wiki https://wiki.oasis-open.org/xliff-omos/Examples
Plus of course the JLIFF schema needs to be aligned with the OM diagram https://github.com/DavidFatDavidF/XLIFFOM/blob/master/model/Class_Diagram.PNG and later on with any prose spec for the OM and/or JLIFF.
Robert: Sure the schema can be started following the OM class diagram.
dF: I guess it should be. as it gives the structure and all multiplicity constraints..
3. TBX Mapping
a. James was the lead author on the paper that defines the mapping
This has been properly submitted by James on 24th May through the comment list
b. dF and James to work off-line on the TBX mapping.
dF: We will start that on SVN (not waiting for the git repo) based on the document model provided by TC admin.. https://tools.oasis-open.org/version-control/browse/wsvn/xliff-omos/trunk/%21OASIS_Front_Matter/xliff-tbx-v1.0-wd01.docx
I will explain on the public mailing list how to work with the TC SVN and the Docbook template. Essentially your OASIS credentials give you write access to the TC SVN here: https://tools.oasis-open.org/version-control/browse/wsvn/xliff-omos/
C Other Topics
dF: We had a report from Chase last time on the possible TMX replacement discussion, and the draft minutes for the Dublin Info Sessions in scope of the OMOS TC have been sent earlier to the mailing list (https://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/xliff-omos/201607/msg00004.html), it is also available to the public FEISGILTT webpage (http://locworld.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/FEISGILTT-2016-XLIFF-OMOS-Public-Info-sessions.pdf).
I bcced all non-member attendees on the above referenced working list message and have not received any objections from the public so far.
Several of the TC members attended the meeting: Ryan, Kevin, David, Felix, Soroush, Chase, Loic... So we can approve it in our committee for the record. I formally propose to make the above draft meeting minutes the minutes of record of the FEISGILTT 2016 XLIFF OMOS Public Info Sessions, onJune 7-8. 2016.
a. Meeting minutes from Dublin “Public Infosession” (June 7 and 8, 2016) are approved (dF proposed, Loïc seconded, no objections).
2. Next meeting on July 26, then we will skip the August meetings and reconvene in September (September 13, 2016).
3. Liaisons – Alan appointed as a liaison from ISO TC37 SC3. The purpose to is keep aligned the inline data model of TBX with XLIFF 2 and the LIFF OM. dF will seek appointment to SC3 from NSAI to be able to represent XLIFF and OMOS on SC3.
4. Promotion – dF: preparing a submission for ASLING (http://www.asling.org/tc38/?page_id=2), one of the oldest conferences in Computer-Aided Translation, to describe the high-level benefits of XLIFF to the business audience.
XLIFF OMOS nominated for the Outstanding New Initiative award
https://www.oasis-open.org/open-standards-cup – winner to be selected soon by OASIS TAB.
Owner: Dr. David Filip
Group: OASIS XLIFF Object Model and Other Serializations (XLIFF OMOS) TC
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Admi n:\n\n1. Roll call\n\n2. Approve meeting minutes from June 2 8\, 2016\n\nhttps://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/xl iff-omos/email/archives/201607/msg00005.html\n\n3. Welcome James Hayes\n\n \n\nB. Material:\n\n1. Technical Deliverable s\n\nXLIFF OM\n\n========\n\nlatest PNG preview of the UML c lass diagram\n\nhttps://github.com/DavidFatDavidF/XLIFFOM/bl ob/master/model/XLIFFOM.png\n\nWiki on Papyrus: https://wiki .oasis-open.org/xliff-omos/WorkingWithPapyrus\n\nhttps://www .oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/xliff-omos/email/archives /201606/msg00001.html\n\nStill referencing the lates diagram version from Lucian\n\nhttps://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/ workgroup/xliff-omos/email/archives/201605/msg00002.html\n\n \n\nJLIFF\n\n=====\n\nNeed to revamp work on JLIFF and poss ibly other bindings and serialization to have at leat three serializations to compare when talking about the abstract mo del.\n\nSomewhat older email from Yves on JSON alpha impleme ntation in Lynx\n\nhttps://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workg roup/xliff-omos/email/archives/201604/msg00009.html\n\nSpec GIT Request &ndash\; update\n\n=====================\n\nStil l working on the temporary GitHub repo\n\nRobin said this is in progress and one of last decision points should happen a round mid June. Once this becomes available it should be eas y to migrate from the temporary github repo managed by merzb auer (dF)\n\nThe ticket has been reopened (https://issues.oa sis-open.org/browse/TCADMIN-2303).\n\n \n\nTBX mapping\n\n== =========\n\nTBX Mapping based on a published paper https:/ /www.localisation.ie/resources/publications/2015/260\n\nThis has been properly submitted by James on 24th May through th e comment list\n\nhttps://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/xlif f-omos-comment/201605/msg00000.html\n\nJames has also joined the TC to help with publsihing this mapping.\n\n \n\nReport from Working meetings at FESGILTT Dublin\, June 7 and 8\n\ n===================================================\n\nhttp ://locworld.localizationworl.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploa ds/2015/11/FEISGILTTProgram2016.pdf\n\nXLIFF OMOS related dr aft minutes published\n\nhttps://lists.oasis-open.org/archiv es/xliff-omos/201607/msg00004.html\n\nhttp://locworld.com/wp -content/uploads/2015/11/FEISGILTT-2016-XLIFF-OMOS-Public-In fo-sessions.pdf\n\nMove to approve the OMOS Info Session min utes\n\nTMX Successor work?\n\n=================\n\nMay be p ossible to move ahead w/o the TMX IP transfer\n\nSee TMX Sym posium minutes:\n\nhttps://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/xli ff-omos/201607/msg00004.html\n\nhttp://locworld.com/wp-conte nt/uploads/2015/11/FEISGILTT-2016-XLIFF-OMOS-Public-Info-ses sions.pdf\n\n \n\nReminder:\n\n========\n\nTC members\, plea se use group e-mail for communication / comments\n\nNon-TC m embers\, use the commenting facility (https://www.oasis-open .org/committees/comments/index.php?wg_abbrev=xliff-omos butt on on https://www.oasis-open.org/committees/tc_home.php?wg_a bbrev=xliff-omos)\n\n \n\n2. Assignment of editor roles for the technical deliverables\n\nActually\, we'\;re now read y to move on the TBX mapping front\, we'\;re just waiting for the git repo\, could decide to move ahead on SVN with t his one..\n\nTabled for JLIFF for now\n\nOM\, dF about to tr y and extract XML independent prose from the XLIFF 2 spec\n\ n \n\n3. TMX Contribution from ETSI\n\nhttp://locworld.local izationworl.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/FEISGI LTTProgram2016.pdf\n\ndF contacted Jamie on 18th Feb and 8th Mar\, and March 30 but no answer so far.\n\nCopyright trans fer agreement needs to be negotiated between ETSI and OASIS. \n\nBecause this is dragging for so long we might think of d ropping the work on TMX as such\n\nSee Report from Dublin TM X Symposium\n\nReport from Dublin TMX Symposium\n\nhttps://l ists.oasis-open.org/archives/xliff-omos/201607/msg00004.html \n\nhttp://locworld.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/FEISGILTT -2016-XLIFF-OMOS-Public-Info-sessions.pdf\n\n4. Liaisons\n\n New: ISO TC37 SC3\n\nAlan has been apponted as liaison here. OASIS requested to seek formal liaison status. dF to join S C3 in the meantime to assist work on TBX inline markup\n\nAR IP TC (dF)\n\nISO/IEC JTC1 SC38 wrt reference architecture f or big data. (dF)\n\nXLIFF TC (Yves)\n\n5. Promotion\n\nAlan looking for someone to write up a high level paper on Why X LIFF 2 (and XLIFF OMOS?)\n\ndF to submit this as a proposal abstract for ASLING T&C38 http://www.asling.org/tc38/?page_i d=2\n\n \n\nAOB\n\nNext meeting on July 26\, 2016\nGroup: OA SIS XLIFF Object Model and Other Serializations (XLIFF OMOS) TC\nCreator: Dr. David Filip URL:https://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/xliff-omos/event.php?event_id=41695 UID:https://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/xliff-omos/event.php?event_id=41695 BEGIN:VALARM ACTION:DISPLAY DESCRIPTION:REMINDER TRIGGER;RELATED=START:-PT00H15M00S END:VALARM END:VEVENT END:VCALENDAR