Re: Localization World Silicon Valley presentations

["Dr. David Filip" <David.Filip@ul.ie>]

Patrick [please forward my answer to the ETSI ISG mailing list], I do not understand why is it so hard for you to accept basic facts about your organization.

I am not commenting at all about the TC/ISG issue. I am merely comparing standardization organizations. The last column states TC voting rights as a generic term opposed to organizational voting rights on the consortium level, e.g W3C does not have TCs, they have WGs, but this hair splitting is of no import, since participant non-members do not have voting rights either in TCs or ISGs within ETSI. 

Of course my goal is to show that ETSI does NOT create OPEN [I do not question whether you create world class standards, i just state that your standards are not open, and AFAIK ETSI never even tried to state that their standards were open] standards as OASIS and W3C do, the Unicode case is arguable due to their RAND IPR policy, still they are transparent.

Now, do you want to deny that ETSI yearly membership fee for a midsize LSP [bigger than microenterprise] is €6000?

You cannot deny this. [I talked to Janaina and she confirmed that this is what WhP are paying for their yearly fee]

Do you want to deny that non-member participants do not have voting rights in the ISG-LIS?

You cannot deny this.

Do you want to deny that your mailing lists are not visible to non-participants?

You cannot deny this.

Do you want to deny that the sole IPR policy ETSI supports is FRAND?

You cannot deny this.

So what is it, you are repeatedly attacking on this slide? What do you want to correct or clarify?

I guess I refuted your "correction" that you sent a couple of months ago to the XLIFF comment list clearly enough. If there is still anything to be clarified I am open.

You may have noticed that I added a star with a clarification, and that I call the referenced fees "illustrative" compared to Barcelona, you can see that I am open to constructive clarification, still I do maintain that this slide provides an accurate and relevant comparison of the said standardization organizations, relevant for IT industry in general and for localization industry in particular. Localization industry is not used to having closed standards, so people need to be educated about the difference.

Thanks and regards

dF

Dr. David Filip

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On Tue, Oct 25, 2011 at 11:07, Patrick Guillemin <Patrick.Guillemin@etsi.org> wrote:

Donna,

Thank you for the information and the C1 and C2 presentations

ABOUT C1:
C1: Why Localization Standards Matter, Even If You Think They Don’t
Speaker: David Filip (LRC/CNGL), Patrick Guillemin (ETSI), Arle Lommel (GALA), Jaap van der Meer (TAUS)
Moderator: Mary Laplante
Presentation << C1.pptx

I would like you to add  attached speech I read in C1 “Patrick GUILLEMIN TEXT  in C1 v2.pdf” with the on-line downloadable C1.pptx presentations

ABOUT C2:
C2: A Buyer’s Guide to the Localization Standards Landscape
Panelists: David Filip (LRC/CNGL), Patrick Guillemin (ETSI), Arle Lommel (GALA), Jaap van der Meer (TAUS)
Moderator: Mary Laplante
Presentation << C2.pptx

I would like again you to add  attached speech I read in C1 “Patrick GUILLEMIN TEXT  in C1 v2.pdf” with the on-line downloadable C2.pptx presentations

Again... ;-(

Like in LocWorld Barcelona, David Filip inserted a wrong C2.pptx (slide 39) statement about ETSI fees/rules not corresponding to the effective work/rule done to recreate and maintain LISA OSCAR SIGs standard TBX, GMX, SRX, GMX-V and xml:tm in the new ETSI ISG LIS (an ISG not a TC). This is well explained in my speech.

Slide 39 should state that ETSI created an ISG (Industry Specification Group) not a TC, so the table is applicable to Technical Committees

 

	IPR modes	Mailing lists	Fees	Midsize LSP cost of membership (illustrative)	proportional vote	Can non-members vote?	Individual or other low cost option?	with TC voting rights?
ETSI	FRAND	restricted	http://www.etsi.org/WebSite/membership/fees.aspx	€6,000	yes*	NO	free	no
OASIS	RF on RAND	public	http://www.oasis-open.org/join/categories-dues	$7500 (~€5300)	NO	NO	$300/$1200	yes
W3C	RF	public	http://www.w3.org/Consortium/fees	€7,800	NO	NO	free	yes
Unicode	RAND	public	http://www.unicode.org/consortium/levels.html	$7500 (~€5300)	yes	NO	$75	no

 

 

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