Re: [xliff] XLIFF Teleconference Minutes - Tuesday, 10 Dec 2002

[Mark Levins <mark_levins@ie.ibm.com>]

Just noticed one item that I omitted
from the minutes which was discussion around listing all enumerated values
for attributes in the specification (or not). At issue is whether these
values are part of the specification or part of another schema. An agenda
item is to be added to next week's meeting for this issue.

Regards,
Mark

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Mark Levins
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Phone: +353 1 7046676 | IBM Tie Line 166676

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Mark Levins/Ireland/IBM@LOTUSINT

11/12/2002 11:22

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Subject	[xliff] XLIFF Teleconference Minutes - Tuesday, 10 Dec 2002

1) Roll Call 
Present: Mark Levins, John Reid, Tony Jewtushenko, Matt
Lovatt, Enda McDonnell, Milan Karasek, Shigemichi Yazawa, Bryan Schnabel,
Christian Lieske, Reinhard Schaler 
Observing: Doug Domini 
Apologies: Peter Reynolds, Mirek Driml, Yves Savourel

Absent: Gerard Cattin des Bois, Jonathan Clarke, Ian Dunlop,
John Corrigan, David Pooley 

2) Outstanding Issues 
Issue 1(of Tony's emailed document) - Extending attribute
values 
Christian outlined his latest proposal previously emailed
to the group. Shigemichi listed some of the problems with using 'union'
and 'redefine' approaches to attribute value extension. Discussion then
moved to 'x-' usage + some URI + attribute value where the URI was specific
to a user's company. John Reid made the point that the 'x-' preposition
was already an extension and therefore the use of URIs was at a users discretion.
Talk then moved to discussion on where extended attributes would be allowed,
Mark moved to defer this until the next meeting. After a vote, it was agreed
to use the 'x-' mechanism for attribute value extension.


Issue 2 - Context group 
Closed from previous meeting. 

Issue 3 - 'default' and 'defaults'

Christian outlined his emailed proposal and his preferred
option of using XPath. Mark raised his objections to using XPath in the
specification on the basis of the complexity it would add to processing
an XLIFF document. Mark raised John Reid's suggestion of using <group>
to store defaulted values and adding the defaultable attributes to the
group element. Tony suggested closing out on the original proposal and
not using XPath by replacing the default strategy with <group>. John
Reid volunteered to redefine the proposal around new attributes of <group>
for the next meeting. 

Issue 4 - Phase names in <alt-trans>

John outlined his most recent proposal which required
very little changes to the XLIFF specification on the basis that it already
provided enough support for tracking phases and histories. Tony motioned
for voting on John's proposal at the next meeting, giving everyone enough
time to digest the proposal and be happy with the suggested additional
attribute values. 

Issue 6 - reformat element revisited

Matt tabled new suggestions for reformatting based on
previously sent email. Mark raised objections to instruction-based reformat
element that would require  similar functionality to XPath and suggested
adding new specific elements for content that can be changed as part of
the translation process (e.g. font, coord, style etc) where these elements
could contain a boolean attribute to indicate whether they could be altered.
Matt agreed to further investigate this approach and create some examples
for the next meeting. Enda then raised the question of how this would affect
the 'default' discussion and Matt brought up the ability to default a translation
or translatable content. Matt agreed to try to factor these two points
into his investigation for the next meeting. 

Issue 7 - Context group 'purpose' recommended values

John Reid explained his suggestion for the attribute values.
His proposal was unanimously agreed. 
It was also agreed to add a new item for discussion at
the next meeting based on multiple attribute values (lists) and valid separators
based on Mark's email. 

Issue 8 - phase-name as optional <alt-trans> attribute

After the discussion on issue 4, this item was deemed
to be obsolete. 


3) Schedule of Remaining Work 
Omitted due to meeting overrun. 

4) AOB
Mark raised work of Free Standards Group Open Internationalization
Initiative's Common XML Locale Announcement for discussion. This will be
added to the agenda of the next meeting wrt relevance to XLIFF.


5) Next meeting 
Tuesday 17th December at changed time of 4.00 p.m. / 8.00
a.m.

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Mark Levins
IBM Software Group | Dublin Software Laboratory | Airways
Industrial Estate | Cloghran | Dublin 17 | Ireland
Phone: +353 1 7046676 | IBM Tie Line 166676

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