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Subject: RE: [xliff] XLIFF Teleconference Details & Agenda - Tuesday,21 Ja n2003


Hi Tony,

 

You're right that the group for the dialog is unnecessary. On the other hand I'm not sure if we have to duplicate exactly the same attributes in <group> and <trans-unit> elements. What I wanted to point out was that we might consider use the attributes from one <trans-unit> element (with a special attribute - e.g. for-group) as the attributes describing the whole group. Then we could remove the duplicated attributes from <group> and leave them just in the <trans-unit> element. Defaults then possibly could be used for <trans-unit>. It was just an idea and I understood we were approaching release candidate of the next version of XLIFF so there is no time for large structure changes discussions.

 

Cheers,

Mirek

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Tony Jewtushenko [mailto:Tony.Jewtushenko@oracle.com]
Sent:
Friday, January 24, 2003 4:27 PM
To: Mirek Driml; xliff@lists.oasis-open.org
Subject: Re: [xliff] XLIFF Teleconference Details & Agenda -
Tuesday,21 Jan 2003

 

Hi Mirek:

 

Thanks for your suggestion.  I'm not tearing it apart,  and maybe I'm not fully understanding your suggestion,  but I'm not sure that we need to add the attribute "for-group" since we can specify these attributes at the <group> level - no?  Doing so would set those attribute values as default for any trans-unit within the scope of the entire group,  with override possible by specifying the attribute value at the trans-unit or target..

 

Therefore, couldn't we express your example as follows without adding a new attribute, and without the unnecessary group for the dialog?   Or have I gotten it all terribly wrong?

 

...

<group font="MS Sans Serif;8" style="WS_POPUP | WS_CAPTION | WS_THICKFRAME">

    <trans-unit id="DIALOG1" coord="0;0;96;28"

        <source/>

        <target phase-name="after_resizing" coord="0;0;96;28">    -- local version of dialog coordinates

        </target>

    </trans-unit>

    <trans-unit id="IDC_EDIT1" coord="35;7;53;14">

       <source/>

        <target phase-name="after_resizing" coord="40;7;60;14">    -- local version of editbox coordinates

        </target>

     </trans-unit>

     <trans-unit id="IDCSTATIC" coord="13;9;23;8">

        <source>Label:</source>

        <target phase-name="after_resizing" coord="25;9;35;8">         -- local version of label coordinates

            Translated Label:           

        </target>

     </trans-unit>

</group>

 

Cheers,

Tony

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Mirek Driml

Sent: Monday, January 20, 2003 10:59 AM

Subject: RE: [xliff] XLIFF Teleconference Details & Agenda - Tuesday,21 Jan 2003

 

Hi Tony,

 

here you are with a few thoughts on Nikolai's issue.

 

Nikolai is right that <group> and <trans-unit> element have got a lot of common attributes - in fact all possible attributes from <group> are included in the list of attributes for <trans-unit>. In spite of this I'm not sure this would be the best solution to merge those two elements into one as Nikolai suggested. We could just use the elements a little different way. Now I do not have any exact idea and I'm just thinking aloud so anyone feel free to tear it apart. I would add an attribute to the <trans-unit> - similar as Nikolai suggested - called e.g. for-group and we could remove all the attributes from the group element as those are already included in the <trans-unit> element. One <trans-unit> element would contain information for the whole group and the other elements could be nested inside the subgroup. The structure of the file could look like the following:

 

Example (simplified)

 

...

<group>         

    <trans-unit id="DIALOG1" for-group="yes" font="MS Sans Serif;8" style="WS_POPUP | WS_CAPTION | WS_THICKFRAME" coord="0;0;96;28">

        <source/>

        <target phase-name="after_resizing" coord="0;0;96;28">    -- local version of dialog coordinates

        </target>

    </trans-unit>

    <group>

        <trans-unit id="IDC_EDIT1" coord="35;7;53;14">

            <source/>

            <target phase-name="after_resizing" coord="40;7;60;14">    -- local version of editbox coordinates

            </target>

        </trans-unit>

        <trans-unit id="IDCSTATIC" coord="13;9;23;8">

            <source>Label:</source>

            <target phase-name="after_resizing" coord="25;9;35;8">         -- local version of label coordinates

            Translated Label:           

            </target>

         </trans-unit>

    </group>

</group>

 

 

This could solve Nikolai's issue however it could also introduce any new issues I'm not aware of at the moment.

I'm looking forward to your response.

 

Cheers,

Mirek

-----Original Message-----
From: Tony Jewtushenko [mailto:Tony.Jewtushenko@oracle.com]
Sent:
Friday, January 17, 2003 7:20 PM
To: xliff@lists.oasis-open.org
Subject: [xliff] XLIFF Teleconference Details & Agenda -
Tuesday,21 Jan 2003

Dial-in Instructions:
When:
Tues,  21 Jan 2003, 04:00PM London/Dublin  / 08:00 AM PST

UK National Dial-In:      0870 550 3090
International Dial-In:   +44 118 924 0290
Meeting ID: 30543

Agenda:
1/Roll Call  (5 min)

2/Previous Meeting Minutes - accept as is or amend:  http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/xliff/200301/msg00014.html

3/Reminder regarding OASIS TC Membership policy  - TC membership is terminated after 3 consecutive absences,  in some cases without advanced warning.

4/Review all remaining Open Issues listed in the tracking report:  http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/xliff/200301/msg00017.html

5/Schedule of remaining work (10 minutes)

21 Jan:     Reformat proposal, Matt (Issue 6)
                Defaults proposal - any additional attributes?, John  (issue 3)
Allow one more meeting to conclude these discussion= 28 Jan
Release Candidate on Jan. 29.
Allow two meetings discussion of spec changes.
Feb 11 target date

Revisions or amendments to the schedule?

5/ Carried over from last week:  Discussion and response to recent xliff-comment regarding resizing of RC type data within XLIFF - http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/xliff-comment/200212/msg00000.html .  This query relates to Mat's "reformat" issue (issue # 6)

6/Any New Business

7/Next meeting - Tues,  28 Jan 2003, 04:00PM Europe/London/Dublin  / 08:00 AM PST

 

 

 

Tony Jewtushenko                   mailto:tony.jewtushenko@oracle.com
Sr. Tools Program Manager   direct tel: +353.1.8039080
Product Management - Tools Technology Team
Oracle Corporation,
Ireland



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