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Subject: Groups - XLIFF Meeting (rescheduled from 15 June) modified

XLIFF Meeting (rescheduled from 15 June) has been modified by Tony Jewtushenko (tony.jewtushenko@oracle.com).

Date:  Tuesday, 06 July 2004
Time:  04:00pm - 05:00pm Greenwich Mean Time

Event Description:
04:00PM London/Dublin / 08:00 AM PST 
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Rescheduled from 15 June 2004
1/roll call
2/approve minutes of last meeting:
3/ Work in Progress: 
  a. Representation Guides: 

   i. HTML / RTF: 
      Update: http://www.oasisopen.org/archives/xliff/200404/msg00019.html 
     Yves has identified 3 types of HTML element:
        - Inline
        - Structural
        - Subflow content 
Yves has submitted an HTML file restype-ctype-inline.htm which attempts to classify all HTML elements and attribute res types to them. Committee members should have reviewed the list by now,  and agree how any unclassified elements should be treated. Yves also mentioned that we should see how HMTL extraction tool developers have approached the subject in each individual case. The issue of setting up a separate subcommittee was raised, but it was decided to tackle the issue via exchange of emails for the time being. Tony asked for final comments to be submitted by 8 June.

   ii.  WinRes (John, Yves)
   iii. Resx (Enda, Gerard) http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/xliff/200403/msg00007.html 
   iv. Java Resource Bundles (Tony & John)
   v.  XForms ( Andrzej )

4/ Unresolved or New Bugs / Proposals
     a. Andrzej: Adding inline term info to XLIFF
         Update: http://www.oasis-open.org/archives/xliff/200404/msg00007.html
         Update: http://www.oasis-open.org/archives/xliff/200404/msg00011.html
         Latest update: http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/xliff/200406/msg00001.html
         Comment recieved: http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/xliff/200406/msg00014.html
Yves has supplied a solution to this topic which does not involve any changes to the XLIFF spec (http://www.oasis-open.org/archives/xliff/200404/msg00002.html). Discussion centered on the best way to capture the solution. Options were to create an "errata" document or a "best practices. It was decided that a "best practices" document would be a better solution. Andrzej created the document and distributed it for the TC's comment.

     b. Andrzej: Translations Grouped Across trans Units.
         Initial: http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/xliff/200404/msg00000.html
         Latest update: http://www.oasis-open.org/archives/xliff/200404/msg00010.html
Andrzej stated that an additional "not-equivalent" attribute would also be required to cover the two types of eventuality where a translator cannot provide an equivalent translation for a given trans-unit. It was agreed that this formed part of the work of the segmentation subcommittee and would form part of its recommendations.

     c.Mat: Translation of Voice XML Issues
         Initial: http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/xliff/200403/msg00016.html
         Latest Update: http://www.oasis-open.org/archives/xliff/200403/msg00017.html
Mat raised a very interesting problem caused during the translation of Voice XML documents where variable quantitative values have to be rendered in a given target language. This poses real technical difficulties in the instance of languages such as Polish which is strongly inflected and has pronounced gender affected adjectives. The initial source language text requires multiple target language variants. There is no easy way to tackle this at present in XLIFF. Mat's submission references an earlier document that he submitted last year on this subject. Mat was to send out additional information. The TC agreed to comment on his document and look for best practices.
     d.Mat: Accepting Suggested Translations In XLIFF
         Initial: http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/xliff/200407/msg00000.html
Mat raised the issue of how to identify which provided Alt-Trans,  if any,  has been used by a translator.

5/ Status Report from Segmentation SC (Magnus) - the Segmentation SC is on hiatus for the summer
6/ Report from Localization World
7/ All other business


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