Rodolfo, others,
Yes, I can see where <g> could be
interpreted as containing only non-translatable codes.
I based my use of them on the HTML profile
document (see below).
I’ve copied the rest of the XLIFF
cmte for their input.
Should the HTML profile be revised to use
bpt/ept instead of <g> for inline elements?
3.1.4. Inline Elements
In most
cases, inline elements are very well suited to be mapped to <g>. The
value of their ctype attribute should be a
concatenation of 'x-html-' and the name of the
element (in lowercase). For example: <b> would be mapped to <g ctype='bold'>.
Example:
<p>In Portland, Oregon one may
<i>ski</i> on the mountain, <b>wind surf</b> in the
gorge, and <i>surf</i> in the ocean, all on the same day.</p>
should be
mapped to:
<trans-unit id='1' restype='x-html-p'>
<source xml:lang='en'>In Portland, Oregon one may <g id='i1'
ctype='x-html-i'>ski</g> on the mountain, <g id='i1'
ctype='bold'>wind surf</g> in the gorge, and <g id='i1' ctype='x-html-i'>surf</g>
in the ocean, all on the same day.</source>
</trans-unit>
From: Rodolfo
M. Raya [mailto:rodolfo@heartsome.net]
Sent: Monday, March 06, 2006 7:01
PM
To: Doug Domeny
Subject: Re: How to translate text
within G tags?
Hi Doug,
As far as I know, <g> elements contain inline codes, not translatable
text.
>From the specs: http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/xliff/documents/xliff-specification.htm#g
<g>
Generic group placeholder - The <g>
element is used to replace any inline code of the original document that has a
beginning and an end, does not overlap other paired inline codes, and can be
moved within its parent structural element.
To me, this means that <g> is used to wrap moveable inline code and for
"inline code" I understand tags inherent to the formatting of the
document, i.e. "\i" and "\i0" to mark start and end of
italics in RTF or "<i>" and "</i>" for the same
purpose in HTML. IMO, only the formatting portion can be enclosed in <g>.
Notice that <g> cannot contain any <sub> element with translatable
text inside.
In your example I would enclose the text "no need to download again in a
<bpt>/<ept> pair.
According to the introduction of the specs, XLIFF "borrows" elements
from TMX and you can read a clear example of handling italics in TMX at http://www.lisa.org/standards/tmx/tmx.html#ContentMarkup_Rules
If you consider <g> as a black box with translatable text that can be
moved, the translatable text that it contains may end at any location in the
translated segment. The result can be horrible.
Think on RTF documents that when converted to XLIFF contains tags in the middle
of a word in the source text. Most of the times those tags are originated in
change tracking and signal the correction of a spelling error. Translators usually
place those tags at the end of the segment or after the corresponding word
in their translations but never in the middle of the equivalent word in
the target language. This is the typical use case for <g> tags.
Best regards,
Rodolfo
On Mon, 2006-03-06 at 17:20 -0500, Doug Domeny wrote:
Rodolfo,
While
testing with the XLIFF Editor, I couldn’t find a way to translate text
between <g> tags.
For
example,
How would a
translator translate the phrase “not need to download again”?
The XLIFF
is:
<target state="needs-translation">Before you can
use eWebEditPro, it must be downloaded into your browser. When you click the <g id="2" ctype="bold">Install Now</g>button at the
bottom of this page, eWebEditPro will be automatically downloaded and
installed. This process may take several minutes depending on the speed of your
network connection. Once downloaded, eWebEditPro will <g id="4" ctype="italic">not need to download
again</g> unless upgrading to a newer version.</target>
Regards,
Doug Domeny
Software
Analyst
Ektron,
Inc.
+1 603
594-0249 x212
http://www.ektron.com
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