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Subject: Groups - Monthly XLIFF TC Teleconference modified



Monthly XLIFF TC Teleconference has been modified by Mr. Tony Jewtushenko*

Date:  Tuesday, 21 March 2006
Time:  11:00am - 12:00pm ET

Event Description:
Standing monthly XLIFF TC Teleconference. 
1. Call one of the MeetingPlace phone numbers: 
From the AMER region dial: * 1-888-967-2253 * +1-650-607-2253 
From the APAC region dial: * +61 2 8817 6100 
From the EMEA region dial: * +44 118 924 9000 

2. Enter the Meeting ID (805534) followed by the # key 

3. If the organizer has not started the meeting you will be: 

a. Asked to speak your name followed by the # key 
b. Placed in the waiting room on music hold until the organizer starts the meeting. 

If the organizer has started the meeting you will be: 

a. Asked to enter the Meeting Password (030543) 
b. Asked to speak your name followed by the # key

Agenda:
1/roll call
Apologies:  Peter Reynolds

2/Previous meeting minutes: 
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/xliff/200603/msg00015.html
Vote to approve or amend official record.

3/TC Organisational Issues:
The TC chair proposes that the TC alter its management structure to include the role of "Co-Chair".  The TC chair nominates Bryan Schnabel to this officer role.  We shall discuss and possibly approve the appointment or arrange for a web ballot.  By OASIS rules, to approve the change the TC voting membership must approve with at least 51% of voting members.

4/ Work in Progress: 
A. XLIFF 1.2 Specification 
a.Ballot Passed Approving Committee Draft 
NO DISCUSSION OR ACTION REQUIRED. 

b. XLIFF 1.2 Committee Draft Specification: http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/16367/draft-xliff-core-1.2-20060123.zip 

c. Doug's XSD update 1: http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/xliff/200602/msg00010.html 
Issue: does the committee support adding Strict & Transional XSD's? For both 1.1 and 1.2? 
Issue: Tool-id attribute corrections, and additional constraints - OK to fix in both 1.1 and 1.2? 
In past discussion, TC was not opposed to Strict & Transitional XSD paradigm but want guidance from OASIS. 
Bug fixing the XSD will need to update both 1.1 and 1.2. 
DECISION: Discuss further until next month's meeting - add to agenda to discuss and possibly approve solution. 

d. Doug's (and Rudolfo) XSD and Spec update: http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/xliff/200603/msg00000.html 
Issue: explicitly state that the id attribute must be unique? 
Issue: add constraints for the xid attribute? 
Issue: Does the ID need to be unique? Are there any instances where it would not be? Seems unlikely but we need to avoid breaking backwards compatibility.

Discuss possible options to resolve the issue.

e. Doug's proposal to deprecate restype attribute for bin-target: http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/xliff/200603/msg00022.html

e. Andzrej: XLIFF inline elements with spacial characteristics: http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/xliff/200603/msg00001.html 
Response from Florian: http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/xliff/200603/msg00005.html 
Response from Andzrej: http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/xliff/200603/msg00006.html 
Issue: Do we open up the spec to address the rawreplace=' ' mechanism suggested by Florian? 

At past TC meeting, Andzrej explained. Magnus also concurred that this is a very useful feature, but probably should rename to something more simple and clear.  Tony prepared a ballot with all suggestions, and the ballot results are here-> http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/xliff/ballot.php?id=975

Andzrej will author spec modifitions.

B. Namespace Versioning 
RESOLVED - WILL NOT CHANGE CURRENT PARADIGM. ISSUE CLOSED in 21 Feb 2006 meeting - KEPT FOR HISTORICAL PURPOSES 

B. Representation Guides: 
a. COMPLETE: HTML 
Spec needs to be reopened to deal with inline tags issue.

b. NET & Windows Resources 
NOTE: NO PROGRESS SINCE MEETING IN NOVEMBER 
Initial draft of .NET Profile: 
Latest draft of Windows Res Data Resources (revised 21 Sep 2005): http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/xliff/200509/msg00011.html 

c. Java Resource Bundles 
NOTE: NO PROGRESS SINCE MEETING IN NOVEMBER 
NO ACTION OR DECISION REQUIRED. 

d. PO Files: 
Updated PO files representation document to 1.2 specification -> http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/xliff/200603/msg00007.html 
Issue: This document needs to be approved as 1.2 committee draft. Will discuss if a ballot should take place in the meeting or online... 

Rudolfo suggested that the document is mssing a revision - needs to be revised with recommended approach for handling escape sequences... 
ACTION ITEM: Rudolfo sent a revision to Tony via email and Tony will update the document and share with TC. 

D. Open issues: 
a. Translation of Voice XML Issues 
NEW UPDATE (5 Mar 2006) from Mat: http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/xliff/200603/msg00003.html 

Archived Historical detail: 
~ Open until resolution of namespace issue. 
- Action Item: Mat will submit a proposal on how to handle Voice XML issues. 
Initial: http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/xliff/200403/msg00016.html 
Update: http://www.oasis-open.org/archives/xliff/200403/msg00017.html 

b. Extending XLIFF with separate namespaces. 
Some thought has been put into this issue but not yet even in draft form. 
ACTION ITEM: Mat & Andzrej will work offline to advance this work. 
4/XLIFF 1.2 Certification activities: 
Placeholder for any Ignite issues requiring discussion... 

c. Best practice: should extraction process create target elements?
Topic proposed by Doug.  Discussed in mailing list: 
Initial Proposal (Doug): http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/xliff/200603/msg00023.html
Comment (Bryan): http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/xliff/200603/msg00023.html
Comment (Tony): http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/xliff/200603/msg00035.html
Comment (Rodolfo): http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/xliff/200603/msg00032.html

6/ Reports from liaisons involved with other standards groups: 
A. W3C i18n 
B. Oscar 
C. Trans-WS 
D. LRC 
E: OASIS DITA Translation Subcommittee: http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/tc_home.php?wg_abbrev=dita

7/Events- none scheduled 

8/All other business 

9/Next meeting: in 2 weeks - 5 April 2006, 11am EST / 4pm BST

Minutes:
1/roll call was taken  meeting is quorate.
Apologies from Peter Reynolds.

2/Previous meeting minutes: 
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/xliff/200603/msg00015.html

Doug moved to approve, Andrzej seconded.

3/TC Organisational Issues:
The TC chair nominated Bryan Schnabel for Co-Chair Role.  Role call vote unamiously approved Bryan as Co-Chair.

4/ Work in Progress: 
A. XLIFF 1.2 Specification 
a. Ballot Passed Approving Committee Draft 
NO DISCUSSION OR ACTION REQUIRED. 

b. XLIFF 1.2 Committee Draft Specification: http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/16367/draft-xliff-core-1.2-20060123.zip 

c. Doug's XSD update 1: http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/xliff/200602/msg00010.html 
Issue: does the committee support adding Strict & Transional XSD's? For both 1.1 and 1.2? 
Issue: Tool-id attribute corrections, and additional constraints - OK to fix in both 1.1 and 1.2? 
In past discussion, TC was not opposed to Strict & Transitional XSD paradigm but want guidance from OASIS. 
Bug fixing the XSD will need to update both 1.1 and 1.2. 
DECISION: Tony to look into how other TCs address this issue.

d. Doug's (and Rudolfo) XSD and Spec update: http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/xliff/200603/msg00000.html 
Issue: explicitly state that the id attribute must be unique? 
Issue: add constraints for the xid attribute? 
Issue: Does the ID need to be unique? Are there any instances where it would not be? Seems unlikely but we need to avoid breaking backwards compatibility.

DISCUSSION:
ID should be unique within same file node.  ID is often used to refer back to objects in the skeleton.  Spec implies uniqueness, but is not in fact explicit in spec or XSD. 
DECISION:
ID will be made unique within same file node.  This will require a change to the XSD and the Spec.  Tony to revise the spec, and Doug to modify the XSD.

e. Doug's proposal to deprecate restype attribute for bin-target: http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/xliff/200603/msg00022.html
DECISION:  Leave as is for 1.2 as it is too risky to make this change now.

e. Andzrej: XLIFF inline elements with spacial characteristics: http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/xliff/200603/msg00001.html 
Response from Florian: http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/xliff/200603/msg00005.html 
Response from Andzrej: http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/xliff/200603/msg00006.html 
Issue: Do we open up the spec to address the rawreplace=' ' mechanism suggested by Florian? 
At past TC meeting, Andzrej explained the issue. Magnus also concurred that this is a very useful feature, but probably should rename to something more simple and clear.  Tony prepared a ballot with all naming suggestions, and the ballot results are here-> http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/xliff/ballot.php?id=975
DECISION:
Ballot selected equiv-text as the attribute name.
Andzrej will author spec modifications.

Separate issue was raised by Florian regarding support for tools tips for providing guidelines to localisation tools users.  It was suggested that the note element provides this capability, and mrk provides the ability to mark up inline  by using the comment attribute, or even using custom attributes.

B. Representation Guides: 
a. (REOPENNED) HTML 

ISSUE:  Spec needs to be reopened to deal with inline tags issue.
Also need to add section on best practices for exchanging data between XLIFF and TMX, DITA,  etc.  Need to address the challenges of exchanging content in the g inline tag .  TMX does not at this time support the g or x tags, which means any content in XLIFF with these tags will not exchange with TMX.  It was suggested that TMX should be updated to support these tags, but since XLIFF TC is not the owner of the specs, it was suggested that Andrzej suggest these enhancements to the OSCAR committee at LISA.  Andzrej indicated that TMX is due for a revision soon and this may be a good time to suggest enhancements.

ACTION: Andzrej to submit g and x tags to OSCAR as enhancements to TMX.
ACTION: HTML representation guide will need to be reopened with recommendations for inline tags g and x  may mean restricting use to b/e pt.
ACTION: Adding Use Cases (with example code) for how to exchange TM with TMX is advised, and how to exchange metrics with GMX.

b. NET & Windows Resources 
NOTE: NO PROGRESS SINCE MEETING IN NOVEMBER 
Initial draft of .NET Profile: 
Latest draft of Windows Res Data Resources (revised 21 Sep 2005): http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/xliff/200509/msg00011.html 

ISSUE: TC considering dropping this representation guide from list of deliverables for 1.2.

c. Java Resource Bundles 
NOTE: NO PROGRESS SINCE MEETING IN NOVEMBER 
NO ACTION OR DECISION REQUIRED. 

ISSUE: TC considering dropping this representation guide from list of deliverables for 1.2.

d. PO Files: 
Updated PO files representation document to 1.2 specification -> http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/xliff/200603/msg00007.html 
Issue: This document needs to be approved as 1.2 committee draft. Will discuss if a ballot should take place in the meeting or online... 

Rudolfo suggested that the document is missing a revision - needs to be revised with recommended approach for handling escape sequences... 
ACTION ITEM: Rudolfo sent a revision to Tony via email and Tony will update the document and share with TC. 

D. Open issues: 
a. Translation of Voice XML Issues 
NEW UPDATE (5 Mar 2006) from Mat: http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/xliff/200603/msg00003.html 

Archived Historical detail: 
~ Open until resolution of namespace issue. 
- Action Item: Mat will submit a proposal on how to handle Voice XML issues. 
Initial: http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/xliff/200403/msg00016.html 
Update: http://www.oasis-open.org/archives/xliff/200403/msg00017.html 

b. Extending XLIFF with separate namespaces. 
Some thought has been put into this issue but not yet even in draft form. 
ACTION ITEM: Mat & Andzrej will work offline to advance this work. 
4/XLIFF 1.2 Certification activities: 
Placeholder for any Ignite issues requiring discussion... 

c. Best practice: should extraction process create target elements?
Topic proposed by Doug.  Discussed in mailing list: 
Initial Proposal (Doug): http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/xliff/200603/msg00023.html
Comment (Bryan): http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/xliff/200603/msg00023.html
Comment (Tony): http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/xliff/200603/msg00035.html
Comment (Rodolfo): http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/xliff/200603/msg00032.html

6/ Reports from liaisons involved with other standards groups: 
A. W3C i18n  no update
B. Oscar  - new GMX revision.
C. Trans-WS  no update
D. LRC  - no update
E: OASIS DITA Translation Subcommittee: http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/tc_home.php?wg_abbrev=dita 
There was some discussion about how (and if) XLIFF needs to work with DITA.  Tony suggested that XLIFF provides support for useful localisation related metadata and metrics which would not be supported using DITA or even DITA+ITS, while Christian suggested DITA doesnt require XLIFF as long as it was extended via ITS.  It was agreed to discuss the various best models for localising XML based content, where localising content that is entirely in XML.  Tony will arrange for such a meeting soon and provide invitations.  This will be a non-official meeting  not a membership requirement.




This event is one in a list of recurring events.
Other event dates in this series:

Tuesday, 17 January 2006, 11:00am to 12:00pm ET
Tuesday, 21 February 2006, 11:00am to 12:00pm ET
Tuesday, 18 April 2006, 11:00am to 12:00pm ET
Tuesday, 16 May 2006, 11:00am to 12:00pm ET
Tuesday, 20 June 2006, 11:00am to 12:00pm ET
Tuesday, 18 July 2006, 11:00am to 12:00pm ET

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  MeetingPlace phone numbers: \nFrom the AMER region dial: *
  1-888-967-2253 * +1-650-607-2253 \nFrom the APAC region dial: * +61 2
  8817 6100 \nFrom the EMEA region dial: * +44 118 924 9000 \n\n2. Enter
  the Meeting ID (805534) followed by the # key \n\n3. If the organizer
  has not started the meeting you will be: \n\na. Asked to speak your
  name followed by the # key \nb. Placed in the waiting room on music
  hold until the organizer starts the meeting. \n\nIf the organizer has
  started the meeting you will be: \n\na. Asked to enter the Meeting
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  key\n\nGroup: OASIS XML Localisation Interchange File Format (XLIFF)
  TC\nCreator: Mr. Tony Jewtushenko*
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