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Subject: Groups - XLIFF TC Telelconference modified

Added meeting minutes.

 -- Mr. Rodolfo Raya

XLIFF TC Telelconference has been modified by Mr. Rodolfo Raya

Date:  Tuesday, 16 November 2010
Time:  11:00am - 12:00pm ET

Event Description:
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Access Code: 277-182-288
Meeting ID: 277-182-288
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1/ Roll call

2/ Approve Tuesday, 02 November 2010 meeting minutes:
   Accept, reject, or amend.

3/ Current XLIFF business
  1. David proposes a ballot on *conformance criteria and processing requirements in xliff 2.0*
     - 15 minutes alloted
    a. This is the wording as David indicated in the 19 October meeting
----- ballot wording:
TC sets as the following methodological principles for XLIFF 2.0 re conformance and processing:
 1. Each element and data type must be accompanied by clearly specified conformance criteria
 2. Conformance criteria must be binary, i.e. satisfied or failed, no shades of grey or levels of support.
 3. Conformance criteria must include well-formedness and processing requirements
 4. Processing requirements must be defined in terms of well-formedness and specific allowed values of elements and data types before and after processing.
    b. Christian initiated the "Input to discussion on Conformance"
    c. Asgeir added a suggested approach (http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/xliff/201011/msg00008.html)

  2. Move our spec into Docbook (http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/xliff/201007/msg00009.html)
    a. Filter current spec into Docbook (Bryan)
    b. Rodolfo to add Docbook spec to OASIS
  3. ISO/OASIS XLIFF - XLIFF as an ISO standard (Peter) (http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/xliff/201008/msg00029.html)
  4. RDF + XLIFF (Dimitra)
  5. Christian's usage scenarios for having a MIME-type for XLIFF (http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/xliff/201010/msg00004.html)

4/ XLIFF Inline text SC report (LISA/OSCAR proposal to re-establish a partnership
   in developing common text markup)
  1. Yves' SC report

5/ XLIFF Symposium Debrief: "Voice of our customer"
   Christian began the Consolidated takeaways wiki page (http://wiki.oasis-open.org/xliff/Consolidated%20Takesaways%20from%20First%20XLIFF%20Symposium)
   Christian's slides: http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/xliff/download.php/39848/2010-10-08_1st%20XLIFF%20Symposium%20-%20XLIFF%20TC%20Summary-draft.pdf
   The "Voice of the Customer": Place for all attendee to comments here: (http://wiki.oasis-open.org/xliff/Consolidated%20Takesaways%20from%20First%20XLIFF%20Symposium )

6/ Conformance (Here are the OASIS Guidelines: http://docs.oasis-open.org/templates/TCHandbook/ConformanceGuidelines.html)
  (See also 3.3)
  1. Rodolfo started a thread on his first draft (http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/xliff/201006/msg00001.html)
  2. Yves started a thread on Conformance/compliance (http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/xliff/201006/msg00002.html)

7/ Charter
  The current charter is here: (http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/xliff/charter.php)

8/ XLIFF 2.0
  1. Simplified XLIFF element tree (http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/xliff/201008/msg00012.html)
     and Christian's idea of Domains (http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/xliff/201009/msg00004.html)
  (we now have 4 approved new features and 11 proposed features to be evaluated)
  2. Asgeir started a thread on multiple File elements (http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/xliff/201006/msg00012.html)
     - discuss this here, or move it to the Feature Tracking page?
  3. Review items from XLIFF 2.0 Dashboard (http://wiki.oasis-open.org/xliff/XLIFF2.0)
    (move any items to Feature Tacking Section?)
  4. Review items approved in section 1 (http://wiki.oasis-open.org/xliff/XLIFF2.0/FeatureTracking)
  5. Begin work evaluating proposed features

9/ Rodolfo raises questions regarding
  1. "Translatable stuff in XLIFF 1.2"(http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/xliff/201002/msg00012.html)
  2. segmentation  (http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/xliff/201002/msg00029.html)
      (note: this thread had many facets. The url above is the latest entry,
       and also contains references to all the other email)
  3. problems with seg-source (http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/xliff/201002/msg00028.html)

10/ New Business


Present: Bryan Schnabel, Dimitra Anastasiou, Lucia Morado Vazquez, Arle Lommel, Rodolfo Raya, Peter Reynolds, Asgeir Frimannsson, David Filip.

Regrets: Yves Savourel, Christian Lieske

- Bryan summarized agenda items for todays meeting.

- Bryan moved to accept previous minutes. Arle seconded and none objected.

- Asgeir explained his proposal to have conformance requirements for applications based on what applications MUST or SHOULD do as described in the specification.

- Lucia asked how applications conformance can be checked. Asgeir replied that it is very difficult and may not be possible to declare conformance of applications. Lucia mentioned an application adding attributes from XLIFF 1.0 to XLIFF 1.2, something that could be regulated with a conformance section for applications. 

- Rodolfo mentioned that he already explained his position regarding conformance for applications and will accept the decision of the majority without further arguments.

- Bryan summarized Christians proposal for different levels of conformance.

- David summarized his position regarding the need to include application conformance in the specs.

- Bryan asked if we are ready to vote on the content of the conformance section. David proposal for ballot was changed and the new terms are:
1. Each element and data type must be accompanied by clearly specified conformance criteria
2. Conformance criteria are only valid with specific targets (such as document, processor etc.)
3. Conformance criteria must be boolean, i.e. satisfied or failed, no shades of grey or levels of support.
4. Conformance criteria must include well-formedness (schema conformance) and processing requirements
5. Processing requirements must be defined in terms of well-formedness (schema conformance) and specific allowed values of elements and data types before and after processing.

- David moved to conduct a roll call ballot. The ballot passed by majority.

- Rodolfo asked David to prepare the text for the conformance section that will be included in the specification document.

- Bryan started to convert current specification from HTML to DocBook and is slowly making progress.

- Peter explained current status for publishing XLIFF as an ISO standard. ISO requests that OASIS enters ISO with its own representatives. Additional conversations are being carried out and its taking a long time. Peter will ask if he needs assistance from TC chairs. 

- Dimitra created a Google group for discussing sematic web and invited all members to participate. Shes experimenting with XSLT transformations on XLIFF files.

- Dimitra reported that the Inline text subcommittee started working on new action items. 

- Lucia mentioned that the latest issue of Multilingual magazine mentions the XLIFF Symposium that took place in Limerick. Bryan commented that JoAnn Hackos mentioned it in the CIDM newsletter.

- Bryan suggested a poll for checking availability for December and January meetings. Lucia will create the poll.

- Meeting adjourned.

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