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Subject: Re: [xliff] RE: XLIFF 2.0 spec - dF Issue #03 - No PRs in glossary module
Thanks Joachim and Rodolfo. We will respect the prior decision to keep the glossary module simple. A larger TBD Terminology module in 2.1 will be more interesting to us in that case.
Thanks,
Ryan
From: Schurig, Joachim [mailto:Joachim.Schurig@lionbridge.com]
Sent: Monday, December 3, 2012 8:59 AM
To: Ryan King; xliff@lists.oasis-open.org
Subject: RE: [xliff] RE: XLIFF 2.0 spec - dF Issue #03 - No PRs in glossary module
Hi Ryan,
the owner really is Rodolfo. I do not know why I am listed.
However, I share his thinking about keeping the Glossaries module really small and simple, and leaving it for a larger TBD terminology module to create a more sophisticated storage. In my opinion, allowing proprietary metadata on this simple module defeats its purpose, and tends to give us the anything-goes attitude of v1.2 back.
Why not creating a (maybe TBX-inspired) full-featured Terminology module instead, which leaves no room for (mis-)interpretation of the respective values? I would seriously embrace that solution (and I understand the need for more sophisticated attributes for certain types of projects).
Best regards,
Joachim
From: xliff@lists.oasis-open.org [mailto:xliff@lists.oasis-open.org] On Behalf Of Ryan King
Sent: Samstag, 1. Dezember 2012 01:06
To: xliff@lists.oasis-open.org; Schurig, Joachim
Subject: RE: [xliff] RE: XLIFF 2.0 spec - dF Issue #03 - No PRs in glossary module
Hi Joachim, since you are listed as owner on the wiki for the Glossaries module, is adding metadata to the module something you are willing to put to ballot?
Thanks,
ryan
From: xliff@lists.oasis-open.org [mailto:xliff@lists.oasis-open.org] On Behalf Of Ryan King
Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2012 4:17 PM
To: Rodolfo M. Raya; xliff@lists.oasis-open.org
Subject: RE: [xliff] RE: XLIFF 2.0 spec - dF Issue #03 - No PRs in glossary module
In this case, I think we should consider approving a new ballot, otherwise, there will be no other way to carry this information unless we want to state that non-BASIC glossary information can be put it in a metadata module outside of glossary.
ryan
From: xliff@lists.oasis-open.org [mailto:xliff@lists.oasis-open.org] On Behalf Of Rodolfo M. Raya
Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2012 3:22 PM
To: xliff@lists.oasis-open.org
Subject: RE: [xliff] RE: XLIFF 2.0 spec - dF Issue #03 - No PRs in glossary module
When the ballot for approving the glossary module was done, it passed because we agreed on NOT adding terminological information. The module is supposed to contain only BASIC glossary data. If you add metadata, then you are changing the nature of what was agreed and approved and a new ballot must be done.
Regards,
Rodolfo
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Maxprograms http://www.maxprograms.com
From: xliff@lists.oasis-open.org [mailto:xliff@lists.oasis-open.org] On Behalf Of Ryan King
Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2012 8:31 PM
To: Dr. David Filip; xliff@lists.oasis-open.org
Subject: [xliff] RE: XLIFF 2.0 spec - dF Issue #03 - No PRs in glossary module
Thanks David, we (Microsoft) definitely advocate the need to have metadata on the glossary module since this is the only way we will be able to carry around rich terminology that goes beyond simple Term | Translation | Definition, such as part-of-speech, usage notes, product version a term is used in, etc.
Thanks,
Ryan
From: Dr. David Filip [mailto:David.Filip@ul.ie]
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2012 5:09 PM
To: Ryan King; xliff@lists.oasis-open.org
Subject: Fwd: XLIFF 2.0 spec - dF Issue #03 - No PRs in glossary module
Ryan, re your note on the metadata module. I pointed out earlier today as an issue that the glossary module is not capable of carrying metadata..
See below..
Cheers
dF
Dr. David Filip
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From: Dr. David Filip <David.Filip@ul.ie>
Date: Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 1:39 PM
Subject: XLIFF 2.0 spec - dF Issue #03 - No PRs in glossary module
To: xliff@lists.oasis-open.orgDear owner, all.
[P.S.: Since all *.org links stopped working on my machine due to some strange DNS error, I cannot lookup the owner on our wiki :-(]
[I vaguely recollect that the owner might be Rodolfo (?)]
If there are no PRs, no one will be ever able to delete the module data. This is just the gravest consequence.
Other than that, PRs (and definitions as needed) should be provided that could support a 'naive implementer', i.e. someone without the L10n tribal knowledge.
Other issues with this module:
[Please start a separate thread if you want to discuss this issue..]
03.01)
This module is unable to carry any metadata (except the mandatory source attribute on <defintion> which does not seem sufficient), I guess that provenance attributes should be specified at all levels or at least top two levels.
Alternatively, the module could get extensible at the same levels (all three or two respectively)
Cheers
dF
Dr. David Filip
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