Re: [xliff] Groups - Event "XLIFF TC Call" added

[Helena S Chapman <hchapman@us.ibm.com>]

Bryan. I would like to point to the elephant
in the room and let's have a blunt discussion. I personally have real concerns
with the direction of XLIFF 2.0. For example, the ability to include binary
entities into XLIFF as a "container". Especially this late in
the game for 2.0.

To me, XLIFF is an interchange format
for "textual" content for localization purposes during the content
life cycle. Using embedding binary in XLIFF as an example again, I want
to know very clearly the reason for including binary entities into an interchange
format and expect the tools to actually understand how to parse and process
that in a interoperable fashion. I maintain XLIFF is NOT a processing format
by design though some vendors may choose to use it so, it does NOT serve
the purpose of the majority users' intent for using XLIFF.

Why would one want to include binary
entity in XLIFF? Is it to pass video files embedded in content between
systems? If so, the only thing the translation vendor would need to worry
about really is the audio and transcript portion of the file. Why can't
one just use SSML (http://www.w3.org/TR/speech-synthesis/)
for the purpose of that interchange? Why introduce that complexity into
XLIFF? Why can't it be managed as an external reference with an absolute
path if needed? When it comes to binary entities, there is too much complexity
around how it can be "processed", "understood", and
"exchanged" consistently across systems, trying to absorb all
that into XLIFF is simply asking for trouble.

XLIFF is becoming a "kitchen and
sink" standard in the last few months and I do not agree with this
direction. I am very lucky in that I have a much simpler job than most
on the TC. I am in charge of my entire company's internationalization and
translation architecture, tools and processes and we tell our vendors what
to do. For these XLIFF 2.0 features that I disagree with, I simply tell
my team that these features are simply passthrus that we do not process
or support within our operation. However, for a real tool vendor who has
to support more than a single client scenario, things are not as easy.
This also points to the fact that we do NOT have enough major tool vendor
participation (except for Lionbridge) to make this 2.0 effort really worthwhile.

I have abstained and kept quiet on the
last few calls, however, I realized it perhaps is not in the best interest
of XLIFF TC or myself if I continue to do so. I would prefer my name is
not associated with a standard that cannot be widely adopted by the localization
industry.

Best regards, 

Helena Shih Chapman
Globalization Technologies and Architecture
+1-720-396-6323 or T/L 938-6323
Waltham, Massachusetts




From:      
 Bryan Schnabel <bryan.s.schnabel@tektronix.com>
To:      
 xliff@lists.oasis-open.org
Date:      
 12/03/2012 12:21 AM
Subject:    
   [xliff] Groups
- Event "XLIFF TC Call" added
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Submitter's message
Two Notes:

1 - I will spend a few minutes announcing a change in secretary personnel
2 - We've had a very robust mailing list session. I will parse the emails
and provide a summary for the agenda so we can hit the ground running 
-- Bryan Schnabel

Event Title: XLIFF TC Call

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Agenda
=== 1/ Roll call

=== 2/ Administration

--- 1. Approve Tuesday, 20 November 2012 meeting minutes:

https://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/xliff/201211/msg00114.html

--- 2. XLIFF TC officer update

--- 3. Updates to features in SVN: when a ballot is needed, and when a simple acknowledgment of the feature owner will do

=== 3/ XLIFF 2.0 (http://wiki.oasis-open.org/xliff/XLIFF2.0/FeatureTracking )

--- 1. Features proposed/discussed on the mailing list

 a.  Lots of emails, I will parse them, and summarize here, before the meeting

--- 2. XLIFF 2.0 Technical issues (http://wiki.oasis-open.org/xliff/XLIFF2.0/FeatureTracking#TechnicalIssuesforXLIFF2.0 )

--- 3. Conformance criteria

--- 4. Charter: Need to bring up to date to reflect XLIFF 2.0

     David's proposal https://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/xliff/201209/msg00001.html

     Here’s the current charter

     http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/xliff/charter.php

=== 4/ Sub Committee Reports

--- 1. Inline text (Yves)

--- 2. XLIFF Promotion and Liaison SC Charter (David)

=== 5/ Current XLIFF business

=== 6/ New Business

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Owner: Bryan Schnabel
Group: OASIS XML Localisation Interchange File Format (XLIFF) TC
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