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Subject: Modified: XLIFF TC Meeting

Submitter's message
pasted Yves minutes from http://markmail.org/thread/5fb3sfh5fjjdahbv
-- Dr. David Filip
Event Title: XLIFF TC Meeting
Date: Tuesday, 01 November 2016, 11:00am to 12:00pm EDT
Description

Please get the dial in information from our private Action Item here:
https://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/xliff/members/action_item.php?action_item_id=3663


This meeting counts towards voter eligibility.
Agenda

I Administration (0:00 - 0:10)
  A. Roll call
       
  B. Approve meeting minutes, 20 September 2016
     https://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/xliff/201609/msg00065.html 
  C. Revise scheduled for XLIFF 2.1  
     https://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/xliff/201504/msg00009.html
     https://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/xliff/201504/msg00014.html
  D. ISO submission of XLIFF 2.0
     Pending French translation.
     Liaison report to ISO TC 37 (Peter)
     https://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/xliff/201604/msg00013.html
  E. Action Item progress (as tracked in kavi AI tracker)
     https://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/xliff/members/action_items.php
  F. Check prefix registration.
     ITS ID prefix registry (Yves)
     https://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/xliff/201609/msg00010.html
  G. Call For Dissent: Inline Markup within Change Tracking (Phil)
     https://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/xliff/201608/msg00041.html
  - latest https://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/xliff/201608/msg00056.html     
  H. Call For Dissent for canCopy attribute text (Soroush)
     https://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/xliff/201608/msg00009.html
     Approved.
  I. Comments on XLIFF 2.1 Draft (Yves)
     https://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/xliff/201608/msg00067.html
     XLF draft feedback
     https://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/xliff/201609/msg00008.html
  J. Call for papers for the Montreal Symposium
     https://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/xliff/201608/msg00069.html
  K. * Generating HTML/PDF for each edit (Yves)
     https://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/xliff/201609/msg00044.html
     
II XLIFF 2.1 (0:10 - 0:45)

Latest printout

https://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/xliff/email/archives/201609/msg00019.html

* indicates new topic, not yet discussed
  A. CanReorder Validation error (Ryan)
     https://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/xliff/201509/msg00031.html
  B. XLIFF and ITS mapping-ID value (Soroush)
     https://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/xliff/201512/msg00034.html
  
  C. Issue with validating extensions (David)
     https://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/xliff/201603/msg00019.html
     --> new AI for people to register extensions.
     --> issue report to Okapi-XLIFF (https://bitbucket.org/okapiframework/xliff-toolkit/issues/9)
  D. * XLIFF 2.1 - ITS support; editing calls (Felix)
     https://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/xliff/201604/msg00014.html
  E. itsm namespace in extension registration (Yves)
     https://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/xliff/201604/msg00023.html
 
  F. Proposal on how to move forward with ITS 2.0 support in XLIFF 2.1 (Felix)
     https://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/xliff/201605/msg00002.html
     
  G. * Changes for the registration of value prefixes (Yves)
     https://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/xliff/201605/msg00005.html

  H. * Implementation of XLIFF 2.1 - ITS module (Felix)
     https://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/xliff/201608/msg00037.html
     Felix will issue a new email.
  I. * preparing csd01/csprd01 - Question where to allow ITSM elements and attributes 
     https://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/xliff/201608/msg00008.html
  J. * Change Tracking 2.1 (Yves)
     https://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/xliff/201609/msg00027.html
  K. * ITS rules file (Felix)
     https://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/xliff/201609/msg00029.html
  L * Localization Note vs  (Yves)
    https://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/xliff/201609/msg00045.html
    
III Sub Committee Report (0:45 - 0:55)

IV  Current and New Business (0:55 -


Minutes

pasted Yves minutes from http://markmail.org/thread/5fb3sfh5fjjdahbv

Summary of the XLIFF Call Nov-1
-------------------------------

Present: Bryan, David, Tom, Felix, Yves, Phil

We have quorum

BS: move to accept the minutes of last call.
https://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/xliff/201609/msg00065.html
DF: seconds

DF: One note XLIFF 2 passed the ISO ballot, so we are close to the publication of XLIFF2 as ISO.
.. not official yet, but we should be able to have that soon.
BS: Thanks to people who worked on this (e.g. Peter and David)

DF: Sharing the JIRA page to see the initial comments
https://issues.oasis-open.org/browse/XLIFF
.. so far we have 9 comments, all from yves. Some simple editorial, other more complex.
.. 2.1_csprd01 is the label for this revision cycle.
.. some have a label to request TC discussion
.. reporters can be only TC members
.. for non-members we need to pick a TC member as the reporter, and make sure the non-member information is recorded.
.. also such reporter needs to check if the non-member reporter is satisfied with the response.
.. any TC member can use JIRA

YS: is JIRA accessible by the public?
DF: it should be.
YS: yes, the link is https://issues.oasis-open.org/browse/XLIFF

BS: Will try to update the TC front page today about the review under way
.. and the JIRA link

BS: Did a recalculation of the timing.
.. we should be able to conduct public review 02, and still have candidate spec ready to submit my 23-December,
.. if we get now substantive comments on public review 2

DF: components: ITS module,CTR, other, and validation

DF: issue 1:
https://issues.oasis-open.org/browse/XLIFF-1
.. Solution is to fix the broken links
All agree.

DF: issue 2:
https://issues.oasis-open.org/browse/XLIFF-1
.. think we could start with 'from scratch' and end with 'already there'
.. anyone has preference for the order?
No people have such preference.
.. can I mark the proposal as resolved then? (Using the order I proposed)
No dissent

FS: maybe comment #9 would be the best to discuss

DF: will marked #3 as resolved off line.
https://issues.oasis-open.org/browse/XLIFF-3

Moving to issue #9
Explanation of the issue is: https://issues.oasis-open.org/browse/XLIFF-9
DF: don't agree because the ITS semantics does not work with sm/em

FS: issue also comes from the rules file
.. cannot have rules for those data categories without pointers

FS: did try to implement sm/em with specific
.. works with another step, but it's not ITS anymore
.. could be defined for XLIFF processing too

DF: could we have global pointer as extension in ITS?
FS: my method is non-pointing behavior
DF: think we need to separate ITS and XLIFF
.. not sure it's a good idea to use the ITS namespace
.. no ITS processor will be able to process the sm/em anyway

FS: need more implementation experience
DF: was disappointed that sm/em can be processed generically
.. also we have example of case where ITS implementation for a file format deviates: HTML translate.
YS: for defaults yes.
.. but HTML is a special case
FS: agree that for XML files from an ITS processor viewpoint, not being able to access some data categories is not good.

DF: discussion needs to continue on the mailing list
FS: do we have more people implementing the ITS module?

DF: need to reconnect with Microsoft to see if they are planning on ITS module implementation.
.. anyone who wants to comment can just comment on JIRA

DF: another big issue is the CTR module

Meeting adjourned
-end
 


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