RE: [xri] Names for XRI URIs and URNs

[Peter C Davis <peter.davis@neustar.biz>]

Or perhaps even simpler, but along these lines:

- XIP ("zip") permanent
- XIR ("zir") reassignable

--- peterd

On Wed, 2003-03-12 at 02:07, Sakimura, Nat wrote:
> I like them. Another obvious twist are XRIP "eXtensible Resource 
> Identifier Permanent" and XRIR " -- Reassignable" which might be slightly
> easier to pronounce. ("eccsrip and eccsriar") 
> 
> Nat Sakimura
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Drummond Reed [mailto:Drummond.Reed@onename.com]
> > Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 3:06 PM
> > To: Sakimura, Nat
> > Subject: RE: [xri] Names for XRI URIs and URNs
> > 
> > 
> > Interesting angle. We could even make it easier by just 
> > saying "Permanent
> > XRI" and "Reassignable XRI". Or shorten them to acronyms like 
> > "PXRI" and
> > "RXRI".
> > 
> > =Drummond 
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Sakimura, Nat [mailto:n-sakimura@nri.co.jp]
> > Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2003 7:14 PM
> > To: Drummond Reed
> > Subject: RE: [xri] Names for XRI URIs and URNs
> > 
> > Putting the marketing bit aside, I have a feeling that it might be
> > clearer to most audience to explicitly state "permanent" and
> > "reassignable". Thus, something like XRPID and XRRID (how
> > awful!) or something like that.
> > 
> > Nat Sakimura
> > 
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Drummond Reed [mailto:Drummond.Reed@onename.com]
> > > Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 11:23 AM
> > > To: 'xri@lists.oasis-open.org'
> > > Subject: RE: [xri] Names for XRI URIs and URNs
> > >
> > >
> > > Gabe,
> > >
> > > Great point. I absolutely agree we need clear, short names
> > > for a) URIs that
> > > conform to the XRI syntax for URIs and b) URNs that conform 
> > to the XRI
> > > syntax for URNs.
> > >
> > > One suggestion that has been made is to avoid making the same
> > > terminology
> > > mistake that "URN" originally made by calling a permanent 
> > identifier a
> > > "name" (when in fact "name" is the term probably most
> > > commonly associated
> > > with a reassignable identifier).
> > >
> > > Since the term most commonly associated with a permanent
> > > identifier is "ID",
> > > I suggest the term "XRID" instead of "XRN".
> > >
> > > So you'd have:
> > >
> > > a) "XRI" for URIs that conform to the XRI syntax for URIs
> > >
> > > b) "XRID" for URNs that conform to the XRI syntax for URNs
> > >
> > > The only downside is that it may not be quite as intuitive 
> > to the very
> > > technical crowd that an "XRID" is the XRI equivalent of a 
> > URN. But the
> > > upside is that "XRID" will likely be much more intuitive to a
> > > much wider
> > > audience in the long term as the "permanent" version of an XRI.
> > >
> > > Others on the list, what do you think?
> > >
> > > =Drummond
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Wachob, Gabe [mailto:gwachob@visa.com]
> > > Sent: Monday, March 10, 2003 3:20 PM
> > > To: 'xri@lists.oasis-open.org'
> > > Subject: [xri] Names for XRI URIs and URNs
> > >
> > > Working on the requirements document, its becoming awkward to
> > > say "XRI URIs
> > > and XRI URNs".
> > >
> > > I'd like to adopt a nomenclature for these two sets of identifiers:
> > >
> > > a) URIs that conform to the XRI syntax for URIs
> > >
> > > b) URNs that conform to the XRI syntax for URNs
> > >
> > > One might simply say "XRIs and XRNs" for a) and b) respectively.
> > >
> > > Some have argued using these terms (with the "I" intepreted
> > > as "identifier"
> > > and "N" interpreted as "Name" as per URI and URN) are
> > > confusing. URI's are
> > > more like non-persistent "Names" and URNs are more like
> > > persistent "IDs".
> > >
> > > Thats a reasonable argument, but then again, it maybe
> > > inviting an uphill
> > > push to try to use new terminology that ISN'T derived from 
> > the URN/URI
> > > terminology. XRN (as far as I know) is only commonly used to
> > > refer to the
> > > XWindows newsreader (which is not so popular these days). XRI
> > > & XRN would
> > > work nicely in emphasizing their relationship to the URI and
> > > URN dichotomy.
> > >
> > > Other suggestions/pushback? If not, I'd like to start using this
> > > terminology.
> > >
> > >         -Gabe
> > >
> > 
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