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Subject: RE: [xri] FW: [chairs] status of mass doc import
I don't know how - Karl Best has already asked for a group (on the chairs list) of interested individuals to deal with some long term URL issues -- this may be a set of people who would be interested in this problem as well. The Published Subjects folks are clearly interested in the larger issue I framed. I am in contact with them on a fairly regular basis. We can continue this off the xri list. Anybody who is interested in this eat-your-own-dogfood effort please let Marc know (I'm handing management of this to Marc ;-) -Gabe > -----Original Message----- > From: Marc LeMaitre [mailto:Marc.LeMaitre@onename.com] > Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2003 2:09 PM > To: Wachob, Gabe; Drummond Reed > Cc: XRI List (E-mail) > Subject: RE: [xri] FW: [chairs] status of mass doc import > > > Add to your list the need for the community to manage > revisions and versions > of repository objects as well as the need to append metadata > to the objects > to facilitate searching and I think it about covers most of > the requirements > of XRIs. What better than to answer the problems of your own > community? > > How would we identify the major stakeholders? > > Marc > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Wachob, Gabe [mailto:gwachob@visa.com] > > Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2003 4:42 PM > > To: Marc LeMaitre; Drummond Reed > > Cc: XRI List (E-mail) > > Subject: RE: [xri] FW: [chairs] status of mass doc import > > > > I really think that we're a little premature to suggest we > have an answer > > that OASIS can roll out now. Maybe in 6 months if we do our > jobs really > > well. Certainly can't hurt collecting input on this now. > > > > It does make, potentially, a really good use case. > > > > I think this is part of a larger use case dealing with > > registry/repositories > > where there things (e.g. docs, schema, published subjects) > that need to be > > widely identified and for which identifiers will not change > over time (but > > for whom physical location may change or may be "multiple"). The > > identifier > > in this case must be resolvable. Very similar in this > regard to the main > > use > > case of handle and doi. > > > > I would NOT suggest using the chairs list as it gets WAAAY > to much volume > > and this sort of discussion would only increase that. I'd > suggest those > > interested in pursuing this approach individuals in/around Oasis to > > discuss > > further. > > > > -Gabe > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Marc LeMaitre [mailto:Marc.LeMaitre@onename.com] > > > Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2003 1:34 PM > > > To: Drummond Reed > > > Cc: XRI List (E-mail) > > > Subject: RE: [xri] FW: [chairs] status of mass doc import > > > > > > > > > I like it, or at least I think I do because I don't fully > > > understand what is > > > needed in order to completely address the community's problems. > > > > > > How would we get a handle (no pun) on the full set of issues? > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: bill washburn [mailto:bill.washburn@xns.org] > > > > Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2003 1:22 PM > > > > To: Drummond Reed > > > > Cc: XRI List (E-mail) > > > > Subject: Re: [xri] FW: [chairs] status of mass doc import > > > > > > > > Drummond and all-- > > > > > > > > Please forgive me, yet I cannot resist the urge to suggest > > > strongly that > > > > while > > > > it is a fine idea to call the OASIS pain point a modal use > > > case, I really > > > > believe there is a far more singular opportunity that > ought to be > > > > recognized. > > > > Which is to say, Karl has just pitched to the XRI TC a > > > huge, fat softball > > > > that > > > > could be hit out of the park as a home run -- so to speak. > > > But the home > > > > run > > > > opportunity is not just to address the OASIS problem abstractly, > > > > intellectually, > > > > > > > > semantically, technically, etc. The home run is to take > > > this issue on > > > > fully, > > > > practically, pragmatically, politically, socially, and in > > > every other way > > > > necessary so that the pain is gone, the problem > eliminated, and the > > > > solution is, > > > > > > > > well, completely done. Maybe I'm just completely wrong, > > > and yet it seems > > > > apparent that OASIS needs not a perfectly compelling > analysis and > > > > description of > > > > > > > > the solution to their problem, they need all of the messy > > > and tricky real > > > > world > > > > work done so that the problem is non-existent. To me, that > > > is the true > > > > opportunity before us. > > > > > > > > cheers, > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > Drummond Reed wrote: > > > > > > > > > XRI'rs (and Mike in particular): > > > > > > > > > > I hereby nominate the OASIS pain point described by Karl > > > Best below as > > > > the > > > > > "modal" XRI use case for Persistence and Semantic > > > Mapping. I don't think > > > > > there's a better example of the the need for maintaining > > > persistent > > > > pointers > > > > > to online resources such as specification documents. In > > > addition, the > > > > > long-running thread between OASIS chairs regarding TC > > > document naming > > > > > conventions that Karl refers to is a similarly archetypal > > > example of the > > > > > need for semantic mapping from reassignable XRIs to > > > permanent XRIs. > > > > > > > > > > =Drummond > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: Karl Best [mailto:karl.best@oasis-open.org] > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 3:01 PM > > > > > To: chairs@lists.oasis-open.org > > > > > Cc: Jeff Lomas > > > > > Subject: [chairs] status of mass doc import > > > > > > > > > > I've had a couple people ask me about the status of the > > > mass import of > > > > > documents into the doc repository. > > > > > > > > > > We had the folks at Kavi grab all of the docs in the ftp > > > directories a > > > > > couple of days ago, so those docs are all in the > > > repository now. They > > > > > didn't realize that we have a lot of docs that are > > > elsewhere too, so not > > > > > all of the TCs' docs have been imported yet. > > > > > > > > > > During this process we've been realizing even more than > > > before that we > > > > > need to be very careful about preserving current URLs. > > > Messages such as > > > > > the one from Norm have reminded us how very important > > > this is. There's > > > > > about 10,000 docs total, and most of them have internal > > > links to other > > > > > docs, so there's a *lot* of URLs that need to > continue to work. > > > > > > > > > > Our original plan was to import the docs into the > repository, then > > > > > gradually replace the original docs with redirects that > > > would point from > > > > > the original URL to the new repository location. > After some more > > > > > thinking on this we're not comfortable that this is the > > > best solution. > > > > > We want to take advantage of the doc repository functionality, > > > > > specifically the integration into the other TC > functionality and > > > > > notification to TC members when a new doc is checked in, > > > etc. but we > > > > > can't break the existing URLs. Perhaps the repository > > > should just store > > > > > pointers to the docs which would continue to reside in > > > their original > > > > > location. We've also got to integrate the new doc naming > > > scheme, which > > > > > many of you have discussed on this list, into the entire > > > doc storage > > > > scheme. > > > > > > > > > > Until we've come up with a complete solution that we're > > > all happy with > > > > > we're going to leave all of the current docs in their > > > current location > > > > > with their current URLs, in addition to importing > them into the > > > > > repository. If any (two or three) of you would like to > > > work with us to > > > > > help figure out a good long-term solution I would > appreciate your > > > > advice. > > > > > > > > > > -Karl > > > > > > > > > > > ================================================================= > > > > > Karl F. Best > > > > > Vice President, OASIS > > > > > office +1 978.667.5115 x206 mobile +1 978.761.1648 > > > > > karl.best@oasis-open.org http://www.oasis-open.org > > > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > To subscribe or unsubscribe from this elist use the > subscription > > > > > manager: <http://lists.oasis-open.org/ob/adm.pl> > > > > Received: (qmail 9101 invoked by uid 60881); 20 Mar 2003 02:25:14 -0000 Received: from gwachob@visa.com by hermes by uid 0 with qmail-scanner-1.15 (spamassassin: 2.43. Clear:SA:0(0.2/8.0):. Processed in 0.167685 secs); 20 Mar 2003 02:25:14 -0000 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=8.0 Received: from unknown (HELO xomi.pair.com) (209.68.2.14) by mail.oasis-open.org with SMTP; 20 Mar 2003 02:25:14 -0000 Received: (qmail 95174 invoked by uid 3039); 20 Mar 2003 02:32:56 -0000 Received: from localhost (sendmail-bs@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 20 Mar 2003 02:32:56 -0000 Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 18:32:56 -0800 (PST) From: Gabe Wachob <gwachob@visa.com> X-X-Sender: gwachob@xomi.pair.com To: xri@lists.oasis-open.org Subject: OpenURL using "XRI" now... Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.44.0303191831170.92490-100000@xomi.pair.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII UGH! The OpenURL people have produced a new spec and they are using the term XRI as an acronym for a naming scheme!!!!! http://library.caltech.edu/openurl/Public_Comments.htm Comments can be sent there. -Gabe
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