RE: [xri] Problem with XRI 1.0 syntax

For what it's worth, an informal survey inside Epok indicated good support for bang ("!") as a drop-in replacement for dot ("."), but low support for the replacement to serve as the sole second level separator. In other words, xri:@epok!dave.mcalpin is fine, but xri:@:1!:2!:3 (or xri:@:1*:2*:3, or whatever) doesn't have a lot of backers. The strong preference is to continue to use xri:@:1:2:3.

This is somewhat of a side issue I didn't address in my original mail, but there has been some discussion about making the replacement for dot be the one and only second-level separator, as opposed to the two second level separators we have now (dot "." and colon ":"). I'll let someone else make the argument in favor of consolidating on a single separator since to me it just makes the identifier unnecessarily cluttered.

Dave

I agree that the larger a real sampling of users from which objective
feedback can be gathered, the better the data.

Since a number of us will be with a large number of "new initiates" to XRIs
and e-names at the PlaNetwork conference this weekend (www.planetwork.net),
we should be able to do a pretty fair sampling there.

I'd suggest all of us from the XRI TC that will be there organize this and
document it fully.

=Drummond

-----Original Message-----
From: Fen Labalme [mailto:fen@idcommons.org]
Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2004 11:06 AM
To: Wachob, Gabe
Cc: Drummond Reed; xri@lists.oasis-open.org
Subject: Re: [xri] Problem with XRI 1.0 syntax

Yes, I figured the TC might not take such an informal "user survey" -
but suffice to say that the users I am talking about are the same early
adopters that brought about reconsideration of the dot syntax - which
now, thanks to the changes in 2396bis, may actually be implemented.

It may be an informal group - but IMO it's worth listening too.

Fen

Wachob, Gabe wrote:
> Fen-
>       If we are going to rely on "user surveys" to guide our
decisionmaking, those user surveys have to be documented in this TC. We just
can't base our decisions solely on the assertion that a user survey declared
a character unfriendly. We have to make an evaluation as a TC about whether
the user survey conducted is valid and has enough weight to influence our
decision one way or another.
>       I *am* interested in hearing about this user survey, because we
don't want to create problems for ourselves needlessly. But I think there
are a number of us who feel that ! is functionally much easier character to
use than * and do not see any negative connotation with it.
>       THANKS
>
>       -Gabe
>
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Fen Labalme [mailto:fen@idcommons.org]
> Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2004 12:25 AM
> To: Drummond Reed
> Cc: xri@lists.oasis-open.org
> Subject: Re: [xri] Problem with XRI 1.0 syntax
>
>
> Drummond Reed wrote:
>
>>Given that we already have defined roles for many of these reserved
>>characters, our available choices for the second level separator are:
>>
>>      "&"   "'"   "*"   ","   ";"
>>
>>The other possiblity is to reassign a currently used character, such as
>>the GCS character for annotations, "!".
>
>
>
> "'" is too confusing
> "," is too easily mistaken as a '.' (dot)
> ";" is too easily mistaken as a ":" (colon)
> "!" is already used for annotations and (according to a user survey) has
> bad (negative) connotations
>
> That leaves "&" and "*". Personally, I like splat ("*") as it's
> eye-catching, which is what it should be given its importance. Also, as
> "&" is used in fragments, "*" may be less confusing, too.
>
> My $0.02,
> Fen
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