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Subject: RE: [xri] RE: Single delegation character
You're right, the dot means delegation in the authority section. I was referring to your statement about the slash having specific meaning (you said it's the stuff @idcommons knows about fen). =Loren -----Original Message----- From: Fen Labalme [mailto:fen@idcommons.org] Sent: Friday, June 04, 2004 6:25 PM To: Loren West Cc: xri@lists.oasis-open.org Subject: Re: [xri] RE: Single delegation character I don't believe I have. In the authority section (before the first forward slash) dot means delegation. Am I not correct? Loren West wrote: > I understand that you have attached additional semantics to > the identifiers beyond the scope of the XRI TC, and it's why > you're reluctant to ask users if they prefer a syntax > that they may be more familiar with. > > Another example of the problems associated with encoding > semantics into identifiers. > > One could argue that XRI is here because of the > semantics embedded within existing identifier systems, > and it's why I'm fairly sensitive about keeping them to > an absolute minimum within the XRI TC. > > =Loren > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Fen Labalme [mailto:fen@idcommons.org] > Sent: Friday, June 04, 2004 5:12 PM > To: Loren West > Cc: xri@lists.oasis-open.org > Subject: Re: [xri] RE: Single delegation character > > > Yes, I agree that @idcommons/fen and @idcommons*fen could be defined to > be equivalent, but we have a real reason that we want then to be > different. The ability to explicitly state that @idcommons*fen is an > authority delegated to fen and @idcommons/fen is stuff @idcommons knows > about fen enables a useful differentiation. > > This still leaves the door open for some communities to define that > e.g., @epok/loren defines an authority loren delegated by epok, but > that's a choice up to the community. I'd rather not make it in the syntax. > > Fen > > Loren West wrote: > >>Actually, @idcommons/fen is anything @idcommons wants it to >>be - including a delegation to a different endpoint that >>fen has control over. >> >>It could work the same as @idcommons*fen. I believe a user >>given this option will choose it over bang or splat, and >>it would be a shame if you're conducting a survey to leave >>it out. >> >>The XRI specification says nothing about what @idcommons/fen >>means, and very little about what @idcommons*fen means >>other than it's a delegated means of obtaining an endpoint. >> >>It specifically excludes the concept of identity, or what >>one identity knows about another identity, or who owns what, >>or where control lies. >> >>=Loren >>@idcommons*Loren >>@idcommons/Loren >> >>The above examples may point to 3 different places, or to >>the same place. There isn't any expression that I have >>control of any of these places. >> >>I believe that as soon as you express that information within >>an identifier you get yourself into trouble. It's complex >>information, and changes at a different rate than the >>identifier (which means it de-stabilizes the identifier >>when it changes). >> >>It's meta-data about the resource pointed to by the >>identifier, and outside the scope of this TC. >> >>=Loren >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Fen Labalme [mailto:fen@idcommons.org] >>Sent: Friday, June 04, 2004 3:17 PM >>To: Loren West >>Cc: xri@lists.oasis-open.org >>Subject: Re: [xri] RE: Single delegation character >> >> >>Loren West wrote: >> >> >>>Fen - while you're at it, you should try asking if they prefer >>>@idcommons/fen to either of the above. That works regardless >>>of the change to the spec (if any). >> >> >>No, Loren - it doesn't work. Unless we make / the delegation character >>( which I think would be a very bad idea). @idcommons/fen is what >>idcommons authority knows about fen, as opposed to @idcommons!fen in >>which idcommons delegates to the fen authority, which is what we want. >> >> >> >>>I prefer bang over splat, and admit to printing a "bang name" >>>on my business card in the past. >> >> >>Yeah, I had one, too. 1982 or so. I kinda like bang, too, but I'm a >>geek. I'm looking forward to this weekend (survey) to kind out what >>normal people think. >> >>=Fen >> > > > To unsubscribe from this mailing list (and be removed from the roster of the > OASIS TC), go to > http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/xri/members/leave_workgroup.php > . > >
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