RE: [xri] More on Special XRI TC Telecon 1PM PT Wednesday 2007-05-09

["Barnhill, William" <barnhill_william@bah.com>]

Unfortunately I will be unable to make the call it looks like, but I do
have some comments:

http://wiki.oasis-open.org/xri/XriCd02/DirectConcatenation :
- For $ip, how would ipv6 be represented
- In the weeds, but it would be nice if PTR syntax was supported by
$DNS. If not, then vendors can come up with a method as they need to.
- Wouldn't #11's mailto:.. Need to be in an xref?

http://wiki.oasis-open.org/xri/XriCd02/EqualsAtSocialVulnerability:

Social Vulnerability of =/@ Concatenation:
-Rather than "Therefore the use of an =name or @name in the context of
another =name or @name implies a direct relationship between these
resources that may or may not exist in reality", I view it as "Therefore
the use of an =nameA or @nameA in the context of another =nameB or
@nameB implies that the data authority for =nameB or @nameB is making a
statement about =nameA or @nameA that may or may not be true, and may or
may not be agreed upon by the data authority for =nameA or @nameA."

Confusion of @ Name Concatentation with Email Address Syntax:
Yes, this will be a problem. Not sure it's a technical problem though,
but one of perception.

It sounds like options 1-8 all disallow authority A making statements
about authority B (Note I'm using 'about' not 'for'). Not sure if any of
them would allow A to make statements about B if A used the long version
of xref sytnax or not.  I think when we start saying that data for which
A is an authority is governed by certain restrictions it starts sliding
the slope of special cases. I can put on my website that Mr. 1234 is an
3-eyed sloth. Doesn't mean that he is, and if I claim that information
is true and it's not that should affect the reputation associated with
my identity. If what I say about him falls under certain guidelines it
will be actionable as libel.  Either way the issue is a social or legal
one, not technical.

I think a data authority needs to be able to make statements about other
data authorities without their permission, otherwise any reputation or
review system goes out the window, in my opinion. There are ways around
that, but I'm not sure they'd work well.


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-----Original Message-----
From: Drummond Reed [mailto:drummond.reed@cordance.net] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2007 5:17 AM
To: xri@lists.oasis-open.org
Subject: [xri] More on Special XRI TC Telecon 1PM PT Wednesday
2007-05-09

Two new wiki pages have been posted to provide the background for the
issues to be discussed on the special XRI TC telecon Wednesday at 1PM PT
(see telecon info below):

	http://wiki.oasis-open.org/xri/XriCd02/DirectConcatenation 

	
http://wiki.oasis-open.org/xri/XriCd02/EqualsAtSocialVulnerability

The first one describes direct concatenation syntax, parse trees, and
resolution rules. The second one describes the social vulnerability
problem of =/@ concatenation and a slate of proposed solutions.

Please read them over before the call if you are able.

=Drummond 

-----Original Message-----
From: Drummond Reed [mailto:drummond.reed@cordance.net]
Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 1:46 PM
To: xri@lists.oasis-open.org
Subject: [xri] Special XRI TC Telecon 1PM PT Wednesday 2007-05-09

XRI TC Members:

As the XRI Syntax editors try to close the last key issues remaining
before producing XRI Syntax 2.1, we will be holding a special telecon
open to all members of the TC this Wednesday at 1PM Pacific time. This
call will be in addition to our normal call on Thursdays at 10AM PT.

We will send out an additional email with an agenda and wiki links
before the telecon, but we want to invite all TC members to put in on
their calendars.

We will use the standard TC telecon number (thanks to NeuStar for
hosting
this):

TO ACCESS THE AUDIO CONFERENCE:
    Dial In Number: 571-434-5750
    Conference ID: 5474

=Drummond