Re: [xri] Second thoughts

[John Bradley <jbradley@mac.com>]

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I was OK with the base64encoded body with an enveloping signature, AKA =
simple-sign.

I know there are two competing Jason signing formats, so I don't think =
that is settled.

I wouldn't want to loose Dsig though it will be valuable in many cases =
where you want to preserve the signature after processing.

I think we are too far down the road to say all XRD are going to be =
base64 encoded with an enveloping sig.

John B.
On 2010-02-02, at 9:12 PM, Breno de Medeiros wrote:

> On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 15:58, John Bradley <jbradley@mac.com> wrote:
>> We discussed that option but requiring the XRD to always be base 64 =
encoded was not popular.
>=20
> Yes, I heard these before, and I am worried if we gave proper relative
> weight vs. the disadvantages of poor XML DSig support in scripting
> languages.
>=20
>>=20
>> The advantage of XML Dsig is that clients not interested in the =
signature only have one format to worry about.
>=20
> Similar if you use Base64 encoding in all cases.
>=20
>>=20
>> If someone wants to do an additional trust profile with something =
like SAML simple Sign that is fine but was rejected for a number of =
reasons as the default.
>>=20
>> I think we should leave Dsig as is in the short term.
>=20
> I'm not saying we shouldn't, I am just wary that we will have to
> re-visit this decision via an extension and create additional
> difficulties with adoption of the trust profile later.
>=20
>>=20
>> With tokens where there is a closer relationship to the binding the =
signature and encryption issues are somewhat different.
>>=20
>> John B.
>> On 2010-02-02, at 8:41 PM, Breno de Medeiros wrote:
>>=20
>>> On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 15:34, Eran Hammer-Lahav =
<eran@hueniverse.com> wrote:
>>>> First, WRAP is running away from crypto in general. It is based on =
the assumption that client developers are limited.
>>>>=20
>>>> We would all love to find a signature process that does not require =
canonicalization but that means moving the signature to the transport =
layer or in a separate document. We are going to leave the XML DSig in =
because it is very useful to have. But if you have new proposals, it =
would be great to consider them for the immediate set of protocols =
looking to use XRD.
>>>=20
>>> I think the approach with these standards is to have the payload =
base
>>> 64 encoded and attached with the signature.
>>>=20
>>> The clients download the payload, (optionally) verify the signature,
>>> and then extract the content (enveloping signature).
>>>=20
>>>=20
>>>>=20
>>>> However, I would like us not to lose focus considering we do not =
have alternatives at this point.
>>>>=20
>>>> EHL
>>>>=20
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Breno de Medeiros [mailto:breno@google.com]
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2010 2:59 PM
>>>>> To: xri@lists.oasis-open.org
>>>>> Subject: [xri] Second thoughts
>>>>>=20
>>>>> Looking at developments since our decision to use XML DSig to sign =
XRD
>>>>> documents:
>>>>>=20
>>>>> - OAuth WRAP was launched with canonicalization-free signatures =
for tokens
>>>>> - Proposal for Salmon signatures based on canonicalization-free =
signatures on
>>>>> streams
>>>>>=20
>>>>> I am increasingly concerned that the directions is going away, not =
towards,
>>>>> meeting XML DSig.
>>>>>=20
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