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Subject: Re: [ciq] FW: XML 2004 Interop. demo


Colin,

That certainly sound like the right laundry list.

It might be more politic to note that just like WS-context that is 
attempting
to provide common mechanisms, the CIQ work is providing common basis
for address handling.

DW

Colin.Wallis@ssc.govt.nz wrote:

>Fair enough David..
>
>OK, so how should we respond to these folk?
>
>I've had a look at the existing and the proposed new rules for TCs. Under
>the existing, I did not see any explicit mention of a TC needing to look at
>existing work of other OASIS TCs. But it is there in the new one (lines 183
>-186).
>
>So I guess all we can do is express some disappointment that they did not
>look to other TCs, suggest that they:
>
>1) familiarise themselves now with CIQ
>2) look to the specs in future
>3)..and maybe ask that they expressly mention CIQ in their presentation, as
>a starting point for typical data exchange across the WS - context spec?
>
>Cheers
>
>Colin
> 
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: David RR Webber [mailto:david@drrw.info]
>Sent: Saturday, 13 November 2004 1:47 a.m.
>To: Colin.Wallis@ssc.govt.nz
>Cc: RKumar@msi.com.au; ciq@lists.oasis-open.org
>Subject: Re: [ciq] FW: XML 2004 Interop. demo
>
>
>Who said anything about giving up ideals?!  ; -)
>
>You just have to be patient - and seize the highground when you get the 
>chance!
>
>DW
>
>Colin.Wallis@ssc.govt.nz wrote:
>
>  
>
>>Yes, I am aware you are a pragmatist on this, from other comments you 
>>have made.
>> 
>>The difficulty I have is that to give up on the ideal, is to make 
>>OASIS a legitimate playground for vendors applications with jCAM 
>>trying to plug them together.....we are getting towards the thin end 
>>of the wedge and er, uncomfortably close to today's SI issues.
>> 
>>Opposing it while retreating, is my stance I guess..until there really 
>>is no hope, and then maybe I would switch to your position.
>> 
>>But right now I think there is at least some hope!:-)
>> 
>>Cheers
>> 
>>Colin  
>>
>>    -----Original Message-----
>>    *From:* David RR Webber [mailto:david@drrw.info]
>>    *Sent:* Friday, 12 November 2004 5:11 p.m.
>>    *To:* Colin.Wallis@ssc.govt.nz; RKumar@msi.com.au;
>>    ciq@lists.oasis-open.org
>>    *Subject:* Re: [ciq] FW: XML 2004 Interop. demo
>>
>>    Colin,
>>     
>>    I'm a pragmatist on this.  Noone can force any TC to do anything.
>>     
>>    My spin is therefore to try and build pieces that just happen to be
>>    integrated with something else.  So for Hermes ebMS, jCAM is a
>>    plug-in.
>>     
>>    All I can suggest is that you have pluggable CIQ parts for popular
>>    formats.
>>     
>>    I know I'm on the hook to do this with jCAM - I will get to that
>>    in December - right now
>>    I have a huge backlog - dealing with the Interop demo...
>>     
>>    DW
>>
>>        ----- Original Message -----
>>        *From:* Colin.Wallis@ssc.govt.nz
>>        <mailto:Colin.Wallis@ssc.govt.nz>
>>        *To:* RKumar@msi.com.au <mailto:RKumar@msi.com.au> ;
>>        ciq@lists.oasis-open.org <mailto:ciq@lists.oasis-open.org>
>>        *Sent:* Thursday, November 11, 2004 11:04 PM
>>        *Subject:* RE: [ciq] FW: XML 2004 Interop. demo
>>
>>        This is just unbelievable!
>>         
>>        I don't know the Best Practice for Technical Committees but
>>        surely to goodness there is a clause somewhere that states you
>>        must identify the key drivers of your proposed standard and
>>        socialise them with the rest of the OASIS community.
>>         
>>        I think this issue is one to put in front of OASIS management
>>        and get some community wide discussion going.
>>         
>>        Because CIQ is so generic to data exchange we are going to
>>        have this situation more and more. 
>>         
>>        I think it is best to get it in the open, now..or at least
>>        soonish.
>>         
>>        Cheers
>>         
>>        Colin
>>
>>            -----Original Message-----
>>            *From:* Ram Kumar [mailto:RKumar@msi.com.au]
>>            *Sent:* Friday, 12 November 2004 4:17 p.m.
>>            *To:* ciq@lists.oasis-open.org
>>            *Subject:* [ciq] FW: XML 2004 Interop. demo
>>
>>            CIQ TC,
>>             
>>            FYI.
>>             
>>            This is the problem we have at OASIS. Forget convergence
>>            and re-usability of
>>            standards outside of OASIS when there is no visibility
>>            among OASIS TCs in
>>            the first place! At OASIS we talk about convergence and
>>            re-usability of standards/
>>            specifications. But this rarely happens!
>>             
>>            Ram
>>             
>>
>>    
>>
>------------------------------------------------------------------------
>  
>
>>            *From:* Newcomer, Eric [mailto:Eric.Newcomer@iona.com]
>>            *Sent:* Friday, November 12, 2004 12:48 AM
>>            *To:* Ram Kumar; martin.chapman@oracle.com
>>            *Cc:* ciq@lists.oasis-open.org
>>            *Subject:* RE: XML 2004 Interop. demo
>>
>>            Hi Ram,
>>             
>>            I'm afraid the answer is that we did not consider it and
>>            I'm afraid I also must say that I am unfamiliar with the
>>            CIQ specs.
>>             
>>            Do you think they are a good match for the WS-Context
>>            specification? 
>>             
>>            Eric
>>
>>                -----Original Message-----
>>                *From:* Ram Kumar [mailto:RKumar@msi.com.au]
>>                *Sent:* Wednesday, November 10, 2004 5:47 PM
>>                *To:* martin.chapman@oracle.com; Newcomer, Eric
>>                *Cc:* ciq@lists.oasis-open.org
>>                *Subject:* XML 2004 Interop. demo
>>
>>                Hi Martin and Eric,
>>                 
>>                I am the OASIS Chair for Customer Information
>>                Standards TC (OASIS CIQ TC).
>>                 
>>                I understanding that you are presenting the following
>>                demo at XML 2004:
>>                 
>>                Nov.17, 1:15PM -- OASIS WS-Composite Application
>>                Framework - Arjuna, IONA and
>>                Oracle will simulate three Web-based storefronts that
>>                use WS-CAF to share
>>                customer information.
>>
>>                I am keen to know whether you considered representing
>>                the customer information
>>                content that you are going to share in the demo
>>                using the OASIS CIQ specs. for
>>                customer information. By this way, the whole demo will
>>                be standards based and in
>>                particular, representation of the content using an
>>                industry spec. is very key for any
>>                web services application.
>>                 
>>                Looking forward to your views.
>>                 
>>                Regards,
>>                 
>>                Ram Kumar
>>
>>    
>>
>
>  
>




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