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Subject: Re: [ciq] FW: XML 2004 Interop. demo
Colin, That certainly sound like the right laundry list. It might be more politic to note that just like WS-context that is attempting to provide common mechanisms, the CIQ work is providing common basis for address handling. DW Colin.Wallis@ssc.govt.nz wrote: >Fair enough David.. > >OK, so how should we respond to these folk? > >I've had a look at the existing and the proposed new rules for TCs. Under >the existing, I did not see any explicit mention of a TC needing to look at >existing work of other OASIS TCs. But it is there in the new one (lines 183 >-186). > >So I guess all we can do is express some disappointment that they did not >look to other TCs, suggest that they: > >1) familiarise themselves now with CIQ >2) look to the specs in future >3)..and maybe ask that they expressly mention CIQ in their presentation, as >a starting point for typical data exchange across the WS - context spec? > >Cheers > >Colin > > >-----Original Message----- >From: David RR Webber [mailto:david@drrw.info] >Sent: Saturday, 13 November 2004 1:47 a.m. >To: Colin.Wallis@ssc.govt.nz >Cc: RKumar@msi.com.au; ciq@lists.oasis-open.org >Subject: Re: [ciq] FW: XML 2004 Interop. demo > > >Who said anything about giving up ideals?! ; -) > >You just have to be patient - and seize the highground when you get the >chance! > >DW > >Colin.Wallis@ssc.govt.nz wrote: > > > >>Yes, I am aware you are a pragmatist on this, from other comments you >>have made. >> >>The difficulty I have is that to give up on the ideal, is to make >>OASIS a legitimate playground for vendors applications with jCAM >>trying to plug them together.....we are getting towards the thin end >>of the wedge and er, uncomfortably close to today's SI issues. >> >>Opposing it while retreating, is my stance I guess..until there really >>is no hope, and then maybe I would switch to your position. >> >>But right now I think there is at least some hope!:-) >> >>Cheers >> >>Colin >> >> -----Original Message----- >> *From:* David RR Webber [mailto:david@drrw.info] >> *Sent:* Friday, 12 November 2004 5:11 p.m. >> *To:* Colin.Wallis@ssc.govt.nz; RKumar@msi.com.au; >> ciq@lists.oasis-open.org >> *Subject:* Re: [ciq] FW: XML 2004 Interop. demo >> >> Colin, >> >> I'm a pragmatist on this. Noone can force any TC to do anything. >> >> My spin is therefore to try and build pieces that just happen to be >> integrated with something else. So for Hermes ebMS, jCAM is a >> plug-in. >> >> All I can suggest is that you have pluggable CIQ parts for popular >> formats. >> >> I know I'm on the hook to do this with jCAM - I will get to that >> in December - right now >> I have a huge backlog - dealing with the Interop demo... >> >> DW >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> *From:* Colin.Wallis@ssc.govt.nz >> <mailto:Colin.Wallis@ssc.govt.nz> >> *To:* RKumar@msi.com.au <mailto:RKumar@msi.com.au> ; >> ciq@lists.oasis-open.org <mailto:ciq@lists.oasis-open.org> >> *Sent:* Thursday, November 11, 2004 11:04 PM >> *Subject:* RE: [ciq] FW: XML 2004 Interop. demo >> >> This is just unbelievable! >> >> I don't know the Best Practice for Technical Committees but >> surely to goodness there is a clause somewhere that states you >> must identify the key drivers of your proposed standard and >> socialise them with the rest of the OASIS community. >> >> I think this issue is one to put in front of OASIS management >> and get some community wide discussion going. >> >> Because CIQ is so generic to data exchange we are going to >> have this situation more and more. >> >> I think it is best to get it in the open, now..or at least >> soonish. >> >> Cheers >> >> Colin >> >> -----Original Message----- >> *From:* Ram Kumar [mailto:RKumar@msi.com.au] >> *Sent:* Friday, 12 November 2004 4:17 p.m. >> *To:* ciq@lists.oasis-open.org >> *Subject:* [ciq] FW: XML 2004 Interop. demo >> >> CIQ TC, >> >> FYI. >> >> This is the problem we have at OASIS. Forget convergence >> and re-usability of >> standards outside of OASIS when there is no visibility >> among OASIS TCs in >> the first place! At OASIS we talk about convergence and >> re-usability of standards/ >> specifications. But this rarely happens! >> >> Ram >> >> >> >> >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > >> *From:* Newcomer, Eric [mailto:Eric.Newcomer@iona.com] >> *Sent:* Friday, November 12, 2004 12:48 AM >> *To:* Ram Kumar; martin.chapman@oracle.com >> *Cc:* ciq@lists.oasis-open.org >> *Subject:* RE: XML 2004 Interop. demo >> >> Hi Ram, >> >> I'm afraid the answer is that we did not consider it and >> I'm afraid I also must say that I am unfamiliar with the >> CIQ specs. >> >> Do you think they are a good match for the WS-Context >> specification? >> >> Eric >> >> -----Original Message----- >> *From:* Ram Kumar [mailto:RKumar@msi.com.au] >> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 10, 2004 5:47 PM >> *To:* martin.chapman@oracle.com; Newcomer, Eric >> *Cc:* ciq@lists.oasis-open.org >> *Subject:* XML 2004 Interop. demo >> >> Hi Martin and Eric, >> >> I am the OASIS Chair for Customer Information >> Standards TC (OASIS CIQ TC). >> >> I understanding that you are presenting the following >> demo at XML 2004: >> >> Nov.17, 1:15PM -- OASIS WS-Composite Application >> Framework - Arjuna, IONA and >> Oracle will simulate three Web-based storefronts that >> use WS-CAF to share >> customer information. >> >> I am keen to know whether you considered representing >> the customer information >> content that you are going to share in the demo >> using the OASIS CIQ specs. for >> customer information. By this way, the whole demo will >> be standards based and in >> particular, representation of the content using an >> industry spec. is very key for any >> web services application. >> >> Looking forward to your views. >> >> Regards, >> >> Ram Kumar >> >> >> > > >
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