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Subject: RE: [ciq] FW: XML 2004 Interop. demo
Yes, fair point David. Just as CIQ are trying hard not to develop V3 in isolation (looking at UPU and so on) we would like to think other OASIS TCs make a solid effort at design-time in integrating existing standards. Cheers Colin -----Original Message----- From: David RR Webber [mailto:david@drrw.info] Sent: Tuesday, 16 November 2004 2:15 a.m. To: Colin.Wallis@ssc.govt.nz Cc: RKumar@msi.com.au; ciq@lists.oasis-open.org Subject: Re: [ciq] FW: XML 2004 Interop. demo Colin, That certainly sound like the right laundry list. It might be more politic to note that just like WS-context that is attempting to provide common mechanisms, the CIQ work is providing common basis for address handling. DW Colin.Wallis@ssc.govt.nz wrote: >Fair enough David.. > >OK, so how should we respond to these folk? > >I've had a look at the existing and the proposed new rules for TCs. Under >the existing, I did not see any explicit mention of a TC needing to look at >existing work of other OASIS TCs. But it is there in the new one (lines 183 >-186). > >So I guess all we can do is express some disappointment that they did not >look to other TCs, suggest that they: > >1) familiarise themselves now with CIQ >2) look to the specs in future >3)..and maybe ask that they expressly mention CIQ in their presentation, as >a starting point for typical data exchange across the WS - context spec? > >Cheers > >Colin > > >-----Original Message----- >From: David RR Webber [mailto:david@drrw.info] >Sent: Saturday, 13 November 2004 1:47 a.m. >To: Colin.Wallis@ssc.govt.nz >Cc: RKumar@msi.com.au; ciq@lists.oasis-open.org >Subject: Re: [ciq] FW: XML 2004 Interop. demo > > >Who said anything about giving up ideals?! ; -) > >You just have to be patient - and seize the highground when you get the >chance! > >DW > >Colin.Wallis@ssc.govt.nz wrote: > > > >>Yes, I am aware you are a pragmatist on this, from other comments you >>have made. >> >>The difficulty I have is that to give up on the ideal, is to make >>OASIS a legitimate playground for vendors applications with jCAM >>trying to plug them together.....we are getting towards the thin end >>of the wedge and er, uncomfortably close to today's SI issues. >> >>Opposing it while retreating, is my stance I guess..until there really >>is no hope, and then maybe I would switch to your position. >> >>But right now I think there is at least some hope!:-) >> >>Cheers >> >>Colin >> >> -----Original Message----- >> *From:* David RR Webber [mailto:david@drrw.info] >> *Sent:* Friday, 12 November 2004 5:11 p.m. >> *To:* Colin.Wallis@ssc.govt.nz; RKumar@msi.com.au; >> ciq@lists.oasis-open.org >> *Subject:* Re: [ciq] FW: XML 2004 Interop. demo >> >> Colin, >> >> I'm a pragmatist on this. Noone can force any TC to do anything. >> >> My spin is therefore to try and build pieces that just happen to be >> integrated with something else. So for Hermes ebMS, jCAM is a >> plug-in. >> >> All I can suggest is that you have pluggable CIQ parts for popular >> formats. >> >> I know I'm on the hook to do this with jCAM - I will get to that >> in December - right now >> I have a huge backlog - dealing with the Interop demo... >> >> DW >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> *From:* Colin.Wallis@ssc.govt.nz >> <mailto:Colin.Wallis@ssc.govt.nz> >> *To:* RKumar@msi.com.au <mailto:RKumar@msi.com.au> ; >> ciq@lists.oasis-open.org <mailto:ciq@lists.oasis-open.org> >> *Sent:* Thursday, November 11, 2004 11:04 PM >> *Subject:* RE: [ciq] FW: XML 2004 Interop. demo >> >> This is just unbelievable! >> >> I don't know the Best Practice for Technical Committees but >> surely to goodness there is a clause somewhere that states you >> must identify the key drivers of your proposed standard and >> socialise them with the rest of the OASIS community. >> >> I think this issue is one to put in front of OASIS management >> and get some community wide discussion going. >> >> Because CIQ is so generic to data exchange we are going to >> have this situation more and more. >> >> I think it is best to get it in the open, now..or at least >> soonish. >> >> Cheers >> >> Colin >> >> -----Original Message----- >> *From:* Ram Kumar [mailto:RKumar@msi.com.au] >> *Sent:* Friday, 12 November 2004 4:17 p.m. >> *To:* ciq@lists.oasis-open.org >> *Subject:* [ciq] FW: XML 2004 Interop. demo >> >> CIQ TC, >> >> FYI. >> >> This is the problem we have at OASIS. Forget convergence >> and re-usability of >> standards outside of OASIS when there is no visibility >> among OASIS TCs in >> the first place! At OASIS we talk about convergence and >> re-usability of standards/ >> specifications. But this rarely happens! >> >> Ram >> >> >> >> >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > >> *From:* Newcomer, Eric [mailto:Eric.Newcomer@iona.com] >> *Sent:* Friday, November 12, 2004 12:48 AM >> *To:* Ram Kumar; martin.chapman@oracle.com >> *Cc:* ciq@lists.oasis-open.org >> *Subject:* RE: XML 2004 Interop. demo >> >> Hi Ram, >> >> I'm afraid the answer is that we did not consider it and >> I'm afraid I also must say that I am unfamiliar with the >> CIQ specs. >> >> Do you think they are a good match for the WS-Context >> specification? >> >> Eric >> >> -----Original Message----- >> *From:* Ram Kumar [mailto:RKumar@msi.com.au] >> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 10, 2004 5:47 PM >> *To:* martin.chapman@oracle.com; Newcomer, Eric >> *Cc:* ciq@lists.oasis-open.org >> *Subject:* XML 2004 Interop. demo >> >> Hi Martin and Eric, >> >> I am the OASIS Chair for Customer Information >> Standards TC (OASIS CIQ TC). >> >> I understanding that you are presenting the following >> demo at XML 2004: >> >> Nov.17, 1:15PM -- OASIS WS-Composite Application >> Framework - Arjuna, IONA and >> Oracle will simulate three Web-based storefronts that >> use WS-CAF to share >> customer information. >> >> I am keen to know whether you considered representing >> the customer information >> content that you are going to share in the demo >> using the OASIS CIQ specs. for >> customer information. By this way, the whole demo will >> be standards based and in >> particular, representation of the content using an >> industry spec. is very key for any >> web services application. >> >> Looking forward to your views. >> >> Regards, >> >> Ram Kumar >> >> >> > > > To unsubscribe from this mailing list (and be removed from the roster of the OASIS TC), go to http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/ciq/members/leave_workgroup.php .
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