Re: [docbook] DocBook Technical Committee Meeting Minutes: 19 November 2008

["Richard Quadling" <rquadling@googlemail.com>]

2008/11/19 Bob Stayton <bobs@sagehill.net>:
> DocBook Technical Committee Meeting Minutes: 19 November 2008
> =============================================================
>
> The DocBook Technical Committee met on Wednesday,
> 19 November 2006 at 1:00p EST (10:00a PST, 18:00GMT,
> 18:00BST, 19:00CEST, 03:00JST+, 11:30p India+) for 65
> minutes.
>
> 1. Roll call
>
> Present: Paul Grosso, Scott Hudson, Dick Hamilton,
> Gershon Joseph, Jirka Kosek, Larry Rowland, Bob Stayton,
> Norm Walsh.
>
> Absent: Jim Earley, Keith Falhgren, Patricia Gee, Nancy
> Harrison, Corey Leong, Dave Pawson, John Pederson,
> Pine Zhang
>
> We have a quorum of voting members.
>
> 2. Accpeted the minutes [1] of the previous meeting (September).
>
> 3. Next meeting: 17 December 2008
>
> No regrets.
>
> 4. Review of the agenda.
>
> 5. Review of open action items
>
>  a. Bob to organize TDG reading after names are fixed.
>  CONTINUE
>
>  b. Bob to add agenda item for using a map for modular DocBook.
>  DONE
>
>  c. Norm to write up a backwards compatibility policy document.
>  CONTINUE
>
>  d. Gershon to communicate with JoAnne Hackos regarding adoption committee.
>  CONTINUE
>
>  e. Norm to incorporate group parameter change (RFE 1998852) into the schema
>    for 5.1.
>  CONTINUE
>
>  f. Norm to ask mailing list about 'rep' on methodparam.
>  CONTINUE
>
>  g. Bob to follow up with Norm regarding submittal to OASIS.
>  CONTINUE
>
>  h. Jirka to analyze RelaxNG without Schematron.
>  DONE
>
>  i. Larry to investigate RFE 2100736 (initializer should allow constants).
>  DONE
>
>
> 6.  DocBook TC charter review.
>
> Needs an update regarding the activities of the Publishing
> Subcommittee.
>
> ACTION: Dick to review and propose changes
>
> 7.  DocBook 5.0 standards update
>
> It is now a Committee Specification. For the OASIS
> Standard, We are waiting for a third
> corporate member to declare they are using DocBook 5.
>
> ACTION: Norm to update the OASIS site for 5.0 spec and schem.
>
> 8.  Public and system identifiers for DocBook 5.0 DTD.
>
> Bob mentioned that we don't have a public identifier for
> the DocBook 5.0 DTD.  Although the DTD is not the normative
> standard, people still use it and need a consistent public
> identifier.  Also, versions 4 always included a URL to
> a copy of the DTD that can be used as a default system
> identifier. We should add that for 5.0 as well.
>
> ACTION: Norm to update the spec to include the public and
> system identifiers.
>
> 9.  Discussion of RelaxNG without Schematron (Jirka).
>
> Jirka posted a comparison table of the various schema. The latest
> version is dated 18 November 2008 [2].  The concern is
> that not all tools support the normative standard of
> RelaxNG with Schematron rules.
>
> Norm pointed out that the automated conversion from RelaxNG
> to DTD and XML Schema forms is faulty. He suggested we
> might hand build and maintain those schemas to maximize
> their fidelity to the RelaxNG normative standard.
> Or we could wait until James Clark updates Trang to
> make the conversions more complete.
>
> Gershon asked how many users there are for DTD and XML Schema.
>
> Gershon also suggested that since some tools don't support RelaxNG,
> perhaps XML Schema should be the normative standard because
> it is supported by more tools.
>
> Bob pointed out that the RelaxNG schema is very easy
> to customize, and currently the DTD and XML Schema are not
> because they are mechanically generated and have a flat
> structure.
>
> ACTION: Norm to ask James Clark if a Trang update will work better.
>
> ACTION: Bob will ask the mailing list who is using 5.0, which
> validation tool they are using, and why using DTD or XML Schema
> instead of RelaxNG.
>
> ACTION: Jirka to add the schema comparison table to
> the DocBook 5.0 Transition Guide.
>
> 10.  Policy for backwards compatible changes (Norm).
>
> Continued.
>
> 11.  Publishing Subcommittee report (Scott).
>
> The committee has been meeting. They addressed some
> comments from Norm, and are considering items for drama
> documents.  They are also considering using Dublin Core
> metadata element names with the DC namespace inside the
> info element, and maybe making the DC elements mutually
> exclusive with the corresponding DocBook elements to
> avoid duplication and confusion.
>
> 12. DocBook Adoption Committee proposal (Gershon).
>
> Continued.
>
> 13. Using a map for modular DocBook (Dick and Jim).
>
> Continued.
>
> 14.  Review of Requests for Enhancement
>
>   To browse a specific RFE, enter the URL (on one line):
>
>     http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&;;
>     group_id=21935&atid=384107&aid=XXXX
>
>   These RFEs postponed until after 5.0 release
>     1097183  Allow Task as a sibling of sections
>     1679665  Add better support for modular documentation
>     1722935  DocBook 5: Adding proofreader in @class for othercredit?
>     1770787  Rename firstname and surname
>     1907003  biblioid content model too broad
>
> ACTION: Bob to move the above RFEs to the general list
> for the next agenda.
>
>
>   RFEs to be considered
>     2021383  Is 'rep' on methodparam a mistake?
>
> Continued.
>
>     2067915  add floatstyle attribute to sidebar
>
> Approved for 5.1.
> ACTION: Norm to add to 5.1 schema.
>
>     2100736  initializer should allow constants
>
> Larry presented evidence that the element should have a
> more complete content model.  Generally accepted, but we
> need a detailed content model proposal.
>
> ACTION: Norm to write up a content model proposal for initializer.
>
>     2132238  add a poem element
>
> Denied, because the Publishing Subcommittee is addressing this.
> Suggested the submittor contact the Subcommittee.
>
>     2315507  subtitle in sidebar
>
> Approved for 5.1.
> ACTION: Norm to add to 5.1 schema.
>
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>
> [1] http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/docbook-tc/200809/msg00002.html
> [2] http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/docbook-tc/200811/msg00004.html
>
> Bob Stayton
> Sagehill Enterprises
> bobs@sagehill.net
>
>
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Is there any sort of release date for DocBook 5.1?


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