Re: [ebsoa] Ben's document

["David RR Webber" <david@drrw.info>]

Joe,

No - these are completely Resource free!

Obviously burn, bump, bunt, bum, and more
beckon.... let's not go there... ; -)

DW.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Chiusano Joseph" <chiusano_joseph@bah.com>
To: "David RR Webber" <david@drrw.info>
Cc: "Duane Nickull" <dnickull@adobe.com>; <ebsoa@lists.oasis-open.org>
Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2004 4:22 PM
Subject: Re: [ebsoa] Ben's document


> Great - how about Business Use Resource Patterns? Any thoughts?
>
> Joe
>
> David RR Webber wrote:
> >
> > Joe,
> >
> > Yes!  You have given us a mix - some more domain BUP examples,
> > and then some more of these solution component BUP examples.
> > E.g. Calculation service - domain-centric, then publishing and
> > transactional as solution models (although these two are already
> > models that BPSS supports BTW).
> >
> > Thanks, DW.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Chiusano Joseph" <chiusano_joseph@bah.com>
> > To: "David RR Webber" <david@drrw.info>
> > Cc: "Duane Nickull" <dnickull@adobe.com>; <ebsoa@lists.oasis-open.org>
> > Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2004 3:32 PM
> > Subject: Re: [ebsoa] Ben's document
> >
> > > I've added to David's excellent list of patterns below. I'm headed
back
> > > to New Orleans next Wed morning to present SOA (general concepts,
> > > benefits, etc.) at a DOD conference, and I'm considering incorporating
> > > the notion of patterns into my presentation.
> > >
> > > Joe
> > >
> > > David RR Webber wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Duane,
> > > >
> > > > OK - done - synopsis - this is the programmers eye-level view
> > > > that fits into that world of people using UML to create
> > > > enterprise integration applications with J2EE et al today.
> > > >
> > > > So - in addition to this - following Ben's usage - we need
> > > > the SOA BUP - Business Use Patterns, as the overarching
> > > > view here - that introduces what ebSOA is all about -
> > > > and most important - how people can use SOA BUP
> > > > to develop their own solution rapidly.
> > > >
> > > > That way we can dispense with the history lesson in
> > > > OO et al -(well OK - that's NTH - so we'll keep it
> > > > as an Appendix "The Evolution of SOA components").
> > > >
> > > > The SOA BUP will allow business integration designers
> > > > to pick models and patterns, and create new patterns
> > > > for their own for industry uses.
> > > >
> > > > Typical patterns would include:
> > > >
> > > > 1) Classic ebSOA - this is the ebXML pattern around BPM.
> > > >
> > > > 2) Holistic ebSOA - blends use of BPM with webservices.
> > > >
> > > > 3) POA - process-oriented architecture.
> > > >
> > > > 3) SOA - EAI service oriented architecture.
> > > >
> > > > 4) EPR - bespoke solution pattern(s) for particular
> > > >     sector domains - in this case eGovernment services
> > > >     and citizen-facing applications.
> > > >
> > > > and so on.
> > >
> > > How about these possibilities:
> > >
> > > 5) Infrastructure - utilizing an SOA for infrastucture-type services
> > > such as security, logging, discovery, etc.
> > >
> > > 6) Calculation - where part of the SOA provides a calculation result
> > > based on input values (such as calculation of APR for a loan); but
this
> > > would be a pattern for a "segment" of an SOA, rather than an SOA
> > > overall.
> > >
> > >
> > > *** Maybe we need to think about "sub-patterns" as well? ***
> > >
> > > 7) Transactional - utilizing an SOA for transactional-based
processing,
> > > such as the submission/processing of a PO to receive an Invoice.
> > >
> > > 8) Notification - utilizing an SOA for notification-type services such
> > > as a calendar service that sends notifications to other calendars when
> > > an appointment is changed;
> > >
> > > 9) Others?
> > >
> > > > What I'm chiefly after here is avoiding being button-holed.
> > > >
> > > > Ben's approach to SOA - while good for todays programmers
> > > > can also suffer from rapid obsolescence - as witnessed from
> > > > people touting POA, and varients already today.  You are
> > > > then yesterdays news.
> > > >
> > > > We need to have an adaptive model here - that can then
> > > > assimulate the latest in-vogue programming components
> > > > as they emerge.
> > > >
> > > > Therefore POA with ebSOA patterns
> > > > keeps you right abreast of a new development. Hence
> > > > SOA BUP is essential IMO.   But more important
> > > > it allows you to precisely define what a POA is in
> > > > terms of your proven known value set of components.
> > > > An erector kit.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks, DW
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Duane Nickull" <dnickull@adobe.com>
> > > > To: <ebsoa@lists.oasis-open.org>
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2004 6:55 PM
> > > > Subject: [ebsoa] Ben's document
> > > >
> > > > > I also urge each and every one of you to read Ben's PDF document
> > > > > uploaded to our members section.  This reads very well.
> > > > >
> > > > > Duane
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > Senior Standards Strategist
> > > > > Adobe Systems, Inc.
> > > > > http://www.adobe.com
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Kind Regards,
> > > Joseph Chiusano
> > > Associate
> > > Booz | Allen | Hamilton
> > >
>
> -- 
> Kind Regards,
> Joseph Chiusano
> Associate
> Booz | Allen | Hamilton
>