Re: [ebsoa] Ben's document

["David RR Webber" <david@drrw.info>]

Joe,

Actually - not those types of templates are bottom up.

Right now I'm enjoying working on some BPSS templates,
but even they are close to the technology layer - in this
instance I'm think much more about BCM style templates
that are business focused.

DW

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Chiusano Joseph" <chiusano_joseph@bah.com>
To: "David RR Webber" <david@drrw.info>
Cc: "Duane Nickull" <dnickull@adobe.com>; <ebsoa@lists.oasis-open.org>
Sent: Monday, June 28, 2004 12:58 PM
Subject: Re: [ebsoa] Ben's document


> [Catching up on ebSOA e-mails]
>
> David,
>
> You mention business use semantic templates below - would you happen to
> have an example of one (for any BUP)? I sense the answer will be a
> 3-letter acronym beginning with C....A....?
>
> Joe
>
> David RR Webber wrote:
> >
> > Joe,
> >
> > Yes - no Gartner here!
> >
> > Operational modes works.
> >
> > What do you think about the business use semantic templates
> > however that refine them?
> >
> > DW
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Chiusano Joseph" <chiusano_joseph@bah.com>
> > To: "David RR Webber" <david@drrw.info>
> > Cc: "Duane Nickull" <dnickull@adobe.com>; <ebsoa@lists.oasis-open.org>
> > Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2004 9:57 PM
> > Subject: Re: [ebsoa] Ben's document
> >
> > > Am I correct in assuming that the term "SOA BUP" was coined by our TC,
> > > as opposed to existing as a Gartner (or other) term?
> > >
> > > I like the term BUP, but as a more generic conversational alternative
> > > (for clients and colleagues), could we consider these "operational
> > > models" (or perhaps "operational models"?)
> > >
> > > Joe
> > >
> > > David RR Webber wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Duane,
> > > >
> > > > OK - done - synopsis - this is the programmers eye-level view
> > > > that fits into that world of people using UML to create
> > > > enterprise integration applications with J2EE et al today.
> > > >
> > > > So - in addition to this - following Ben's usage - we need
> > > > the SOA BUP - Business Use Patterns, as the overarching
> > > > view here - that introduces what ebSOA is all about -
> > > > and most important - how people can use SOA BUP
> > > > to develop their own solution rapidly.
> > > >
> > > > That way we can dispense with the history lesson in
> > > > OO et al -(well OK - that's NTH - so we'll keep it
> > > > as an Appendix "The Evolution of SOA components").
> > > >
> > > > The SOA BUP will allow business integration designers
> > > > to pick models and patterns, and create new patterns
> > > > for their own for industry uses.
> > > >
> > > > Typical patterns would include:
> > > >
> > > > 1) Classic ebSOA - this is the ebXML pattern around BPM.
> > > >
> > > > 2) Holistic ebSOA - blends use of BPM with webservices.
> > > >
> > > > 3) POA - process-oriented architecture.
> > > >
> > > > 3) SOA - EAI service oriented architecture.
> > > >
> > > > 4) EPR - bespoke solution pattern(s) for particular
> > > >     sector domains - in this case eGovernment services
> > > >     and citizen-facing applications.
> > > >
> > > > and so on.
> > > >
> > > > What I'm chiefly after here is avoiding being button-holed.
> > > >
> > > > Ben's approach to SOA - while good for todays programmers
> > > > can also suffer from rapid obsolescence - as witnessed from
> > > > people touting POA, and varients already today.  You are
> > > > then yesterdays news.
> > > >
> > > > We need to have an adaptive model here - that can then
> > > > assimulate the latest in-vogue programming components
> > > > as they emerge.
> > > >
> > > > Therefore POA with ebSOA patterns
> > > > keeps you right abreast of a new development. Hence
> > > > SOA BUP is essential IMO.   But more important
> > > > it allows you to precisely define what a POA is in
> > > > terms of your proven known value set of components.
> > > > An erector kit.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks, DW
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Duane Nickull" <dnickull@adobe.com>
> > > > To: <ebsoa@lists.oasis-open.org>
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2004 6:55 PM
> > > > Subject: [ebsoa] Ben's document
> > > >
> > > > > I also urge each and every one of you to read Ben's PDF document
> > > > > uploaded to our members section.  This reads very well.
> > > > >
> > > > > Duane
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > Senior Standards Strategist
> > > > > Adobe Systems, Inc.
> > > > > http://www.adobe.com
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Kind Regards,
> > > Joseph Chiusano
> > > Associate
> > > Booz | Allen | Hamilton
> > >
>
> -- 
> Kind Regards,
> Joseph Chiusano
> Associate
> Booz | Allen | Hamilton
>