Re: [ebxml-bp] ebXML Business Processes XML instance document for execution?

[Martin Sachs <msachs@cyclonecommerce.com>]

David,

I am not sure what CPA team exercise you are referring to; perhaps someone 
else will explain.  However, the CPPA negotiation specification uses a BPSS 
instance document to define the negotiation protocol.

Regards,
Marty

At 03:05 PM 11/3/2003 -0700, David RR Webber wrote:
>Marty,
>
>I think we can submit some usage cases on this to Monica - and then
>derive from that what a generic set of requirements looks like.
>
>That would help us understand what we're really looking for...
>
>I know on the call today someone mentioned that the CPA team
>have been working a usage case with BPSS and figuring out
>gap-analysis.
>
>Thanks, DW
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Martin Sachs" <msachs@cyclonecommerce.com>
>To: "Diego Ballvé" <diego.ballve@republica.fi>
>Cc: "Sacha Schlegel" <sacha_oasis@schlegel.li>;
><ebxml-bp@lists.oasis-open.org>
>Sent: Monday, November 03, 2003 5:01 PM
>Subject: RE: [ebxml-bp] ebXML Business Processes XML instance document for
>execution?
>
>
>I believe that you are really asking for some kind of abstract definition
>of the interface between the ebXML specifications and the execution
>engine.  I agree that this is an essential part of a set of specifications
>like ebXML but so far, there has been little interest in defining it other
>than the somewhat limited information under the title "BSI" (Business
>Service Interface) in the BPSS and architecture documents.
>
>Regards,
>Marty
>
>At 05:55 AM 11/3/2003 -0700, Diego Ballvé wrote:
> >I support the idea of BPSS instance being "executable" but I
> >think that there's a need for a 3rd configuration document,
> >besides BPSS and CPPA, that would link a BusinessTransaction
> >activity with some legacy system that would generate/consume
> >business documents (for instance a BPEL engine, as in David's
> >example).
> >
> >I don't think that this is part of BPSS since is partner
> >specific, not necessarily public knowledge, but a BP can't
> >be configured to be executed by a BP engine without it -
> >unless it is a simple exchange of static documents.
> >Comments??
> >
> >Regards,
> >Diego
> >
> > > Martin Sachs wrote:
> > >
> > > In my opinion, the BPSS instance document should contain
> > > enough information
> > > to be executable.  I believe that that has always been the
> > > intent of the
> > > ebXML side of things.  Strictly speaking, "executable" is the
> > > wrong term.
> > > The BPSS instance document should be able to be deployed into
> > > the runtime
> > > system.  In other words, the BPSS document should be able to
> > > be used to
> > > configure the runtime system to execute and monitor the
> > > business process
> > > that it describes.  That's the same idea as deploying the CPA
> > > into the
> > > runtime system to configure it for doing business between the
> > > two partners
> > > that agreed to that CPA.  Such a runtime system is sometimes
> > > referred to as
> > > a BSI (business service interface) in ebXML lingo.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > Marty
> > >
> > > At 01:15 AM 11/2/2003 -0700, Sacha Schlegel wrote:
> > > >Hi ebXML BP TC
> > > >
> > > >Coming backwards from a CPA (sample Negotiation CPA) to the ebXML
> > > >Business Process (sample Negotiation Business Process) I thought that
> > > >the BP XML Instance document should have enough information to be
> > > >executable.
> > > >
> > > >But for some reasons I now think that I misunderstand.
> > > >
> > > >Any hints where to catch up on ebXML BPSS, what it is and
> > > what it isn't?
> > > >
> > > >Kind regards.
> > > >
> > > >Sacha Schlegel
> > > >
> > > >PS: I admit that I did not read any BPEL (or XLANG, WSFL) or
> > > >WS-Orchestration specification but the ebXML BPSS 1.0
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> > > *************************************
> > > Martin Sachs
> > > standards architect
> > > Cyclone Commerce
> > > msachs@cyclonecommerce.com
> > >
> > >
> > >
>
>*************************************
>Martin Sachs
>standards architect
>Cyclone Commerce
>msachs@cyclonecommerce.com

*************************************
Martin Sachs
standards architect
Cyclone Commerce
msachs@cyclonecommerce.com