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Subject: RE: [ebxml-bp] ebXML Business Processes XML instance document for execution?
Tks Marty, you got it right. What I failed to add before was the main point for my comment: lets remember this "abstract definition" is not part of BPSS, so that we don't polute BPSS with it. Regards, Diego > Martin Sachs wrote: > > I believe that you are really asking for some kind of > abstract definition > of the interface between the ebXML specifications and the execution > engine. I agree that this is an essential part of a set of > specifications > like ebXML but so far, there has been little interest in > defining it other > than the somewhat limited information under the title "BSI" (Business > Service Interface) in the BPSS and architecture documents. > > Regards, > Marty > > At 05:55 AM 11/3/2003 -0700, Diego Ballvé wrote: > >I support the idea of BPSS instance being "executable" but I > >think that there's a need for a 3rd configuration document, > >besides BPSS and CPPA, that would link a BusinessTransaction > >activity with some legacy system that would generate/consume > >business documents (for instance a BPEL engine, as in David's > >example). > > > >I don't think that this is part of BPSS since is partner > >specific, not necessarily public knowledge, but a BP can't > >be configured to be executed by a BP engine without it - > >unless it is a simple exchange of static documents. > >Comments?? > > > >Regards, > >Diego > > > > > Martin Sachs wrote: > > > > > > In my opinion, the BPSS instance document should contain > > > enough information > > > to be executable. I believe that that has always been the > > > intent of the > > > ebXML side of things. Strictly speaking, "executable" is the > > > wrong term. > > > The BPSS instance document should be able to be deployed into > > > the runtime > > > system. In other words, the BPSS document should be able to > > > be used to > > > configure the runtime system to execute and monitor the > > > business process > > > that it describes. That's the same idea as deploying the CPA > > > into the > > > runtime system to configure it for doing business between the > > > two partners > > > that agreed to that CPA. Such a runtime system is sometimes > > > referred to as > > > a BSI (business service interface) in ebXML lingo. > > > > > > Regards, > > > Marty > > > > > > At 01:15 AM 11/2/2003 -0700, Sacha Schlegel wrote: > > > >Hi ebXML BP TC > > > > > > > >Coming backwards from a CPA (sample Negotiation CPA) to the ebXML > > > >Business Process (sample Negotiation Business Process) I > thought that > > > >the BP XML Instance document should have enough information to be > > > >executable. > > > > > > > >But for some reasons I now think that I misunderstand. > > > > > > > >Any hints where to catch up on ebXML BPSS, what it is and > > > what it isn't? > > > > > > > >Kind regards. > > > > > > > >Sacha Schlegel > > > > > > > >PS: I admit that I did not read any BPEL (or XLANG, WSFL) or > > > >WS-Orchestration specification but the ebXML BPSS 1.0 > > > >-- > > > >------------------------------------------------ > > > >Sacha Schlegel > > > >------------------------------------------------ > > > >4 Warwick Str, 6102 St. James, Perth, Australia > > > >sacha@schlegel.li www.schlegel.li > > > >public key: www.schlegel.li/sacha.gpg > > > >------------------------------------------------ > > > > > > ************************************* > > > Martin Sachs > > > standards architect > > > Cyclone Commerce > > > msachs@cyclonecommerce.com > > > > > > > > > > > ************************************* > Martin Sachs > standards architect > Cyclone Commerce > msachs@cyclonecommerce.com > > >
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