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Subject: Re: [ebxml-bp] Groups - New Action Item #0007 Provide IV&I and STAR Use Cases
Serm, Having read the white paper and PPT - I would strongly suggest a completely different path here. The OASIS BCM team is teaching an approach based on being Business-Centric as opposed to technology provider-centric. We have samples of BCM templates that would help the IVI team define the business requirements from the business users perspective. Second - the original ICE work by Adobe that was donated to W3C looks like something that needs to be studied closely during that business requirement phase. Herein lies the roles of people, their responsibilties, their business needs and the means to fulfill those. Looking at the PPT especially I get the feeling I'm listening to someone trying to explain what a Swiss watch is by showing me the gears inside it and creating an Alice in Wonderland world as a consequence. Now - I strongly believe that once we have some BCM templates here, some CPP/CPAs defined as well - then it will be much clearer what is required. Then business users can choose the pattern that best describes their operation. As for the BPSS for this - I foresee that we will have descreet BPSS sets that each provide a model for a particular participant to follow that is clear and obvious, with actions and steps as we would expect. Now - enter the vendors at the implementation level. They can then take those artifacts and figure out how they will implement that with their set of cogs and gears. The business users especially should not care what that entails - just so long as the perscribed business behaviour results. The vendors can push, shove, pull and ping each other to work within the vaguries of their own kit. And inevitably blame someone else when some thing unexpected happens! I like the ICE model here of signing up to business behaviours with windows and thresholds and clear description of recovery and remediation. So - once we have that analysis - then we can see what if any additional pieces are needed for BPSS. I suspect at this point - we already have most of this covered between BPSS and ICE... No need for us to re-invent the wheel - but show how but using well structured business-first approach we can provide the functional industry behaviour required. Thanks, DW. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Boonserm (Serm) Kulvatunyou" <serm@nist.gov> To: <ebxml-bp@lists.oasis-open.org> Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2003 9:46 AM Subject: Re: [ebxml-bp] Groups - New Action Item #0007 Provide IV&I and STAR Use Cases > I am forwarding a whitepaper and a slide which discuss about the > requirements in IV&I project. One issue that the project tries to resolve is > whether to adopt a Push, a Pull, or both model to sync data b/w IV tools. I > believe that from the BPSS perspective it can support either one. > > One functionality that I see not existing in the current BPSS spec is to be > able to specify relationship b/w BPSS executions. As described in the paper > that each IV shouldn't push or pull too often. Although, I am not sure if we > would consider this in the scope of the BPSS. > > Another interesting case is to connect 2 IV tools, tool A has to register > with tool B first by authentication using user identity in tool B. After the > registration then tool A uses user identity in tool A to obtain > authentication and authorizion with tool B before retriving data. Does BPSS > need and can express this? > > ps. I think I didn't say that I will do the STAR use case. :( > > - serm > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <monica.martin@sun.com> > To: <ebxml-bp@lists.oasis-open.org> > Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 11:23 PM > Subject: [ebxml-bp] Groups - New Action Item #0007 Provide IV&I and STAR Use > Cases > > > > > > OASIS ebXML Business Process TC member, > > > > Monica Martin (monica.martin@sun.com) has created a new action item. > > > > Number: #0007 > > Description: Provide IV&I and STAR Use Cases > > Owner: serm serm (serm@nist.gov) > > Due: 01 Dec 2003 > > > > Comments: > > Monica Martin 2003-11-13 04:23 GMT > > Added 12 Nov 2003 based on email from Kulvantunyou 10 Nov 2003. > > > > View Details: > > > http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/ebxml-bp/members/action_item.php?action_item_id=300 > > > > > > > > PLEASE NOTE: If the above links do not work for you, your email > application > > may be breaking the link into two pieces. You may be able to copy and > paste > > the entire link address into the address field of your web browser. > > > > > > > > > > > > >
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