Re: [ebxml-bp] Groups - New Action Item #0007 Provide IV&I and STAR Use Cases

["David RR Webber" <david@drrw.info>]

Serm,

Having read the white paper and PPT - I would strongly
suggest a completely different path here.

The OASIS BCM team is teaching an approach based
on being Business-Centric as opposed to
technology provider-centric.

We have samples of BCM templates that would help the IVI team
define the business requirements from the business users perspective.

Second - the original ICE work by Adobe that was donated to W3C looks
like something that needs to be studied closely during that business
requirement
phase.  Herein lies the roles of people, their responsibilties, their
business needs
and the means to fulfill those.

Looking at the PPT especially I get the feeling I'm listening to someone
trying
to explain what a Swiss watch is by showing me the gears inside it and
creating an Alice in Wonderland world as a consequence.

Now - I strongly believe that once we have some BCM templates here, some
CPP/CPAs defined as well - then it will be much clearer what is required.
Then business users can choose the pattern that best describes their
operation.

As for the BPSS for this - I foresee that we will have descreet BPSS sets
that each provide a model for a particular participant to follow that is
clear and obvious, with actions and steps as we would expect.

Now - enter the vendors at the implementation level.  They can then take
those artifacts and figure out how they will implement that with their set
of cogs and gears.  The business users especially should not care what
that entails - just so long as the perscribed business behaviour results.
The vendors can push, shove, pull and ping each other to work within the
vaguries of their own kit.  And inevitably blame someone else when some
thing unexpected happens!  I like the ICE model here of signing up to
business behaviours with windows and thresholds and clear description
of recovery and remediation.

So - once we have that analysis - then we can see what if any additional
pieces are needed for BPSS.  I suspect at this point - we already have
most of this covered between BPSS and ICE...

No need for us to re-invent the wheel - but show how but using
well structured business-first approach we can provide the
functional industry behaviour required.

Thanks, DW.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Boonserm (Serm) Kulvatunyou" <serm@nist.gov>
To: <ebxml-bp@lists.oasis-open.org>
Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2003 9:46 AM
Subject: Re: [ebxml-bp] Groups - New Action Item #0007 Provide IV&I and STAR
Use Cases


> I am forwarding a whitepaper and a slide which discuss about the
> requirements in IV&I project. One issue that the project tries to resolve
is
> whether to adopt a Push, a Pull, or both model to sync data b/w IV tools.
I
> believe that from the BPSS perspective it can support either one.
>
> One functionality that I see not existing in the current BPSS spec is to
be
> able to specify relationship b/w BPSS executions. As described in the
paper
> that each IV shouldn't push or pull too often. Although, I am not sure if
we
> would consider this in the scope of the BPSS.
>
> Another interesting case is to connect 2 IV tools, tool A has to register
> with tool B first by authentication using user identity in tool B. After
the
> registration then tool A uses user identity in tool A to obtain
> authentication and authorizion with tool B before retriving data. Does
BPSS
> need and can express this?
>
> ps. I think I didn't say that I will do the STAR use case. :(
>
> - serm
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: <monica.martin@sun.com>
> To: <ebxml-bp@lists.oasis-open.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 11:23 PM
> Subject: [ebxml-bp] Groups - New Action Item #0007 Provide IV&I and STAR
Use
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> > OASIS ebXML Business Process TC member,
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> > Monica Martin (monica.martin@sun.com) has created a new action item.
> >
> > Number: #0007
> > Description: Provide IV&I and STAR Use Cases
> > Owner: serm serm (serm@nist.gov)
> > Due: 01 Dec 2003
> >
> > Comments:
> > Monica Martin  2003-11-13 04:23 GMT
> > Added 12 Nov 2003 based on email from Kulvantunyou 10 Nov 2003.
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