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Subject: Re: [ebxml-bp] Manual Operations in BPSS"


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Monica,
 
Perhaps the answer is a "CatastrophicSuspend" action,
this would be entered automatically if some pre-condition
occurred and the BPSS permitted it.  A state point,
rather like a rollback in SQL could establish a marked
point in the process for this.
 
This would leave everything in an open state until the
network re-opens - and then all pending actions would
restart and attempt to complete.
 
Maybe a "CatastrophicRecovery" action would then
be issued to cause the re-start process to fire up
and attempt to get the BPSS completed.  If the network
failed during this, it would reset back to the last safe
point again, ready for another recovery attempt.
 
DW.
----- Original Message -----
From: ZBarch
Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2004 10:18 AM
Subject: Re: [ebxml-bp] Manual Operations in BPSS"

Thanks Martin!
Monika: Is it something to think about for version 4?
 
I know at least 3 cases for the last 6 months when DOS attacks shutdown big chunk of Internet operation on Eastern cost.
 
Zinovy
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2004 8:22 AM
Subject: RE: [ebxml-bp] Manual Operations in BPSS"

 
 
Zinovy,
    We at BT have try to model exactly the same scenario.  The presumption is that the BPSS is there to coordinate the state of systems on both side of the partnership.
 
  To make this work in BPSS 1.01 we have had to create 'manual' BusinessTransactionActivities that in effect run the BPSS Transaction in reverse. 
    e.g normal we would expect a customer to conform that a fault has been cleared after we have fixed it.  However, if they confirm ove rthe phone rather than the B2B we send a notification to them telling their systems that we had done this.
 
    In the event of a massive failure there is currently no BPSS command that is designed to synchronise the states of two enterprises systems to align with manual transactions.  In our latest Face 2 Face meeting we discussed the ideas around business failures but this did not come up.
 
    Sorry
 
Martin Roberts
xml designer,
BT Exact
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-----Original Message-----
From: ZBarch [mailto:zbarch@rcn.com]
Sent: 16 February 2004 21:27
To: ebxml-bp@lists.oasis-open.org
Subject: [ebxml-bp] Manual Operations in BPSS"

Dear all!
 
I have a practical question. Do we have a "Manual Operation" in BPSS?
Example: We have 3 party collaboration and one party has a major network failure (like we saw with American stock exchange last
week). Can a party perform business transaction "manually", I mean outside of ebXML (web services) - via phone, fax or US Post mail and update
results later?
 
Thanks,
Zinovy
 


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