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Subject: Re: [FWD: Re: [FWD: RE: [election-services] Top 10 Reasons for using EML]]
-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re: [FWD: RE: [election-services] Top 10 Reasons for using
EML]
From: "Kathy Dopp" <kathy.dopp@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, October 24, 2008 4:44 pm
To: "David RR Webber (XML)" <david@drrw.info>
OK. Edited w/ track changes. Feel free to ignore all. Just my quick
gut responses.
On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 8:26 AM, David RR Webber (XML) <david@drrw.info> wrote:
> Kathy,
>
> Could I ask you to give the attached draft a look over?
>
> I'm seeing some repetition in some of the bullets, plus some of the
> headliners can probably improved?
>
> All thoughts and wordsmithing gratefully received - as the committee needs
> some unaligned outside review of this to keep us sane!
>
> Thanks, DW
>
>
>
>
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: RE: [election-services] Top 10 Reasons for using EML
> From: "David RR Webber (XML)" <david@drrw.info>
> Date: Wed, October 22, 2008 11:12 pm
> To: "John Borras" <johnaborras@yahoo.co.uk>
> Cc: "EML TC" <election-services@lists.oasis-open.org>, "Carol Geyer"
> <carol.geyer@oasis-open.org>
>
> John,
>
> OK - I've heavily refactored this for audience first!
>
> I guess we have to avoid selling features instead of capabilities!! The
> eternal curse of the technology folks?!?
>
> I've tried to reorder this based on capabilities I believe the audience will
> look for - and those who are likely to then promote and ask for EML in
> voting systems.
>
> Attached.
>
> Thanks, DW
>
>
>
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: Re: [election-services] Top 10 Reasons for using EML
> From: John Borras <johnaborras@yahoo.co.uk>
> Date: Wed, October 22, 2008 5:27 am
> To: EML TC <election-services@lists.oasis-open.org>, Carol Geyer
> <carol.geyer@oasis-open.org>
>
> OK red pens at the ready! Here's an attempt at the Top 10 list for your
> comments. Let's get the text agreed first please and then I can work with
> Carol on the artwork, presentation and distribution.
>
> I have assumed this is for global consumption although no doubt we could
> produce more localised versions for USA, Europe etc. Views on this
> approach?
>
> Regards
> John
>
> M. +44 (0)7976 157745
> Skype: gov3john
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: John Borras <johnaborras@yahoo.co.uk>
> To: David RR Webber (XML) <david@drrw.info>; Paul Spencer
> <paul.spencer@boynings.co.uk>
> Cc: EML TC <election-services@lists.oasis-open.org>; Carol Geyer
> <carol.geyer@oasis-open.org>
> Sent: Monday, 20 October, 2008 8:41:27
> Subject: Re: [election-services] Top 10 Reasons for using EML (5 for
> starters)
>
> OK guys thanks for the starter. I'll put together a first draft over next
> few days, and I'll keep it to 10 just for David....-)
>
> Regards
> John
>
> M. +44 (0)7976 157745
> Skype: gov3john
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: David RR Webber (XML) <david@drrw.info>
> To: Paul Spencer <paul.spencer@boynings.co.uk>
> Cc: EML TC <election-services@lists.oasis-open.org>; Carol Geyer
> <carol.geyer@oasis-open.org>; John Borras <johnaborras@yahoo.co.uk>
> Sent: Monday, 20 October, 2008 1:29:23
> Subject: RE: [election-services] Top 10 Reasons for using EML (5 for
> starters)
>
> Paul,
>
> For here in the US that translates to:
>
> 6) Voter Registration, polling location and pollbook standards
> - Consistent approach to voting districts and voting registration
> - Enables voters to easily locate their polling location
> - Overseas and military voter registration can be standardized
> - Absentee ballots can be counted on polling day
> - Simplify information sharing with political parties and accredited
> organizations
>
> Thanks, DW
>
>
>
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: RE: [election-services] Top 10 Reasons for using EML (5 for
> starters)
> From: "Paul Spencer" <paul.spencer@boynings.co.uk>
> Date: Sun, October 19, 2008 5:58 pm
> To: "David RR Webber (XML)" <david@drrw.info>, "John Borras"
> <johnaborras@yahoo.co.uk>
> Cc: "EML TC" <election-services@lists.oasis-open.org>, "Carol Geyer"
> <carol.geyer@oasis-open.org>
>
>
> 6) Standard interchange formats reduce the need for systems that collate
> data from multiple jurisdictions to implement multiple interfaces.
>
> (That is based on the UK CORE project, where they are specifying EML for
> exports from electoral registers to credit reference agencies and political
> parties.)
>
> Regards
>
> Paul
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: David RR Webber (XML) [mailto:david@drrw.info]
> Sent: 19 October 2008 16:03
> To: John Borras
> Cc: EML TC; Carol Geyer
> Subject: [election-services] Top 10 Reasons for using EML (5 for starters)
>
> John,
>
> OK! Here's my first 5 for the list (I hit "send" to quick on 4!).
>
> 1) Standard results reporting methods that allow open public auditing and
> inspection of count totals.
> - today analysts and news media organizations cannot get consistent
> details about election results
> - California is using EML510 but it is the only state currently to use a
> standard
> - EML provides full transparency for results reporting at precinct
> levels as demonstrated by California
> 2) Tallying and counting needs standard formats to allow independent
> confirmation of results totals.
> - today you have to believe what results the vendors machines produce
> - with open standards then jurisdictions can verify counts with more
> than one piece of software
> - system certification can have formal testing suites and independent
> checking
> 3) Voter privacy protection in recorded ballots
> - today you have no idea if something in the recording of ballots puts
> your privacy at risk
> - you need universal standard that experts agree does not do that and
> has been tested and proven
> - this then allows for full public open records for doublechecking
> results
> 4) Approved voting processes and best practices
> - election procedures have evolved over 200 years and continue to
> - need a reference set of procedures that provide support for open
> election process from end-to-end
> - standard provides way for jurisdictions to improve their own
> procedures to meet latest challenges
> - ensuring open process is vital to healthy democracy
> 5) Ballot layouts and information from paper ballots
> - most jurisdictions are requiring paper ballots but consistency is
> lacking in their use and scanning
> - need standards to ensure consistent scanning and fair and open
> presentation of the paper ballot itself
> - EML provides the way to define paper ballots to ensure optimize their
> use with computer scanning
> - EML provides multi-lingual support
> - EML provides consistent ways to record candidates and issues to be
> voted on to ensure fairness
>
> Thanks, DW
>
>
>
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: Re: [election-services] Fw: EML V6?
> From: John Borras <johnaborras@yahoo.co.uk>
> Date: Sun, October 19, 2008 2:23 pm
> To: "David RR Webber (XML)" <david@drrw.info>
> Cc: EML TC <election-services@lists.oasis-open.org>, Carol Geyer
> <carol.geyer@oasis-open.org>
>
> David
>
> I like your suggestion as a communication device and if we as a TC can agree
> the text then no doubt Carol can help us with the presentation and
> distribution.
>
> I would have thought we can draw some points from our EML White Paper but no
> doubt there are others that you have in mind should be included in our top
> ten. Before we get down to the actual text lets knock out some suggestions
> for the 10 headlines. I'll have a look at the White Paper if you can
> put forward some headlines that you think are important to cover the very
> recent exchanges on E2E.
>
>
> Regards
> John
>
> M. +44 (0)7976 157745
> Skype: gov3john
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: David RR Webber (XML) <david@drrw.info>
> To: John Borras <johnaborras@yahoo.co.uk>
> Cc: EML TC <election-services@lists.oasis-open.org>
> Sent: Sunday, 19 October, 2008 18:54:02
> Subject: RE: [election-services] Fw: EML V6?
>
> John,
>
> I'd like to suggest we formalize the "10 Reasons for EML" pamphlet as a lead
> in to this task.
>
> That way we can understand the challenges and the needs better.
>
> For example I believe we've identified E2E as something to support and
> therefore we need to look at how V5 currently does that - and then gaps we
> would want to consider covering.
>
> The VIP need for polling place location tracking would be one such example.
>
> Also I can probably add a new transaction format to support anonymous
> tallying methods to the list for V6.
>
> I'd like to defer on all this until we have a better big picture for the
> goals and focus for what V6 is looking to achieve and got consensus.
>
> Right now we're just looking at bottom up XSD schema tweeks - and I think we
> need a stronger vision than just that.
>
> Thanks, DW
>
>
>
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: [election-services] Fw: EML V6?
> From: John Borras <johnaborras@yahoo.co.uk>
> Date: Sun, October 19, 2008 1:44 pm
> To: EML TC <election-services@lists.oasis-open.org>
>
> Rather disappointingly I have had only one response to my enquiry about EML
> v6. I hope this is because everybody is busy with the USA elections rather
> than lack of interest .....-)
>
> So even though the one vote was in favour of starting work we clearly don't
> have a consensus so I'll park it until after we get the outcome of the ISO
> ballot. Note the date for that has still not been set.
>
> Regards
> John
>
> M. +44 (0)7976 157745
> Skype: gov3john
>
> ----- Forwarded Message ----
> From: David RR Webber (XML) <david@drrw.info>
> To: John Borras <johnaborras@yahoo.co.uk>
> Cc: EML TC <election-services@lists.oasis-open.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, 8 October, 2008 2:53:37
> Subject: RE: [election-services] Fw: EML V6?
>
> John,
>
> Given everything else that is going on - I'd say it is an opportune moment
> for us to move forward with V6.
>
> Looking thru the list I'd like to add placeholders for new polling place and
> registration transactions to support the VIP area of work, and also add a
> note to look at military voting needs. At this point I'm not sure what
> these may end up being implemented as - but when we look more I'm sure we
> will understand these better.
>
> Thanks, DW
>
>
>
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: [election-services] Fw: EML V6?
> From: John Borras <johnaborras@yahoo.co.uk>
> Date: Tue, October 07, 2008 9:15 am
> To: EML TC <election-services@lists.oasis-open.org>
>
> Sorry the attached is the latest version of the Wishes List.
>
> Regards
> John
>
> M. +44 (0)7976 157745
> Skype: gov3john
>
> ----- Forwarded Message ----
> From: John Borras <johnaborras@yahoo.co.uk>
> To: EML TC <election-services@lists.oasis-open.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, 7 October, 2008 14:08:23
> Subject: EML V6?
>
> As you are aware we have submitted EML v5 to ISO/JTC1 for approval and I had
> said that we should await any further work on EML until the outcome of that
> process was complete to avoid confusion. The latest news I have is that
> JTC1 have still not set a date for their ballot and so it's still likely to
> be several months before we know whether we have ISO status or not. There's
> nothing we can do about that, even though Jamie Bryce is continually
> pressing them, as they dictate their work priorities.
>
> Given that I wonder whether there is any pressing need, and any appetite, to
> start work on a v6. Attached is the Wishes List I have so far and I'd
> welcome views please on whether you wish to make a start or if you are
> content to await the outcome of the JTC1 process. Probably item 2 on the
> List is the biggest and most important task for us and is needed to assist
> implementations. If the consensus is to start work then I will convene a TC
> telecon to discuss the next steps.
>
> Regards
> John
>
> M. +44 (0)7976 157745
> Skype: gov3john
>
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