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Subject: RE: [emergency-msg] Pre-Face-to-Face Meeting Looks unlikely
I agree as well. Regards, Tom Merkle CapWIN: www.capwin.org Phone: (301) 614-3720 Cell Phone: (240) 375-1966 Fax: (301) 614-0581 e-mail: tmerkle@capwin.org CapWIN 6305 Ivy Lane Suite 300 Capital Office Park Greenbelt, MD 20770 -----Original Message----- From: Rex Brooks [mailto:rexb@starbourne.com] Sent: Friday, December 01, 2006 10:09 AM To: Tim Grapes; 'Rex Brooks'; 'Renato Iannella'; 'Emergency_Mgt_Msg_SC' Subject: RE: [emergency-msg] Pre-Face-to-Face Meeting Looks unlikely Hi Everyone, As I said, I don't favor either tool, and I have installed both, but since Renato and, I assume, Karen have an investment in VP, and I expect they would be able to read any files we produce using the Community Edition, which is free, though not open source, I would now lean that way. However, I agree with Tim, let's just get the work done and sort out the tools issue later. Cheers, Rex At 9:20 AM -0500 12/1/06, Tim Grapes wrote: >All, >I recommend we do not defer a tool decision, and we should not spend >cycles in the FtoF discussing this. We have a specific urgent need and >a lot of work to do. Let's get the diagrams and the spec done and in >public comment, and then raise the tool discussion up to the TC (or >maybe OASIS overall?) to consider the benefits of applying a single UML tool. > >Thanks, >Tim > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Rex Brooks [mailto:rexb@starbourne.com] >Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2006 7:49 PM >To: Renato Iannella; Emergency_Mgt_Msg_SC >Subject: Re: [emergency-msg] Pre-Face-to-Face Meeting Looks unlikely > >Thanks Renato, > >We should hold off on deciding between VP and ArgoUML until we've had a >chance to weigh the consequences for existing work. Regardless, >however, we would need to opt for the Community (Free) Edition of VP >unless they might be persuaded to donate some copies for us to use. > >However, I did not have a worthwhile result in my attempt to persuade >IBM to duplicate their prior donation of Rational tools to another TC. >They eventually stopped responding when it was clear that their >attempts to foist me off onto a sales rep were as ineffective at >securing a sale as my attempts at soliciting a donation. In order >words, I won't bother with it again, but I would be happy as a clam if >anyone else were able to get VP or MagicDraw or even old Big Blue to >make such a donation. > >The file format issue has always been the major failing of UML, and >XMI, even when it works, suffers from the mismatch between vendor >implementations of the standard. It is one of the reasons, oddly >enough, for my goal of inching us toward an MDA approach backed up by >reference implementations of object libraries. IT"S one way to get good >operational interoperability, and severely discourage vendor >implementations that are just a few key steps short of genuine >interoperability, but that are very effective arguments for >vendor-specific solutions that pay lip service to standards. > >Cheers, >Rex > >At 10:03 AM +1000 12/1/06, Renato Iannella wrote: >>On 1 Dec 2006, at 01:54, Tim Grapes wrote: >> >>> I am downloading and installing Visual Paradigm UML Community >>>Edition (free w/restricted capabilities, okay for modeling purposes) >>>and ArgoUML(free open source w/liimited capabilities also okay for >>>modeling purposes), >> >>We use VP-UML (Modeller Edition). >> >>I just tried importing/exporting between VP-UML and ArgoUML and it >>failed miserably!! (so much for XMI interoperability) >> >>Cheers... Renato Iannella >>National ICT Australia (NICTA) >> >> >> >>---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>---- This email and any attachments may be confidential. They may >>contain >legally >>privileged information or copyright material. You should not read, >>copy, use or disclose them without authorisation. If you are not an >>intended recipient, please contact us at once by return email and then >>delete both messages. We do not accept liability in connection with >>computer virus, data corruption, delay, interruption, unauthorised >>access or unauthorised amendment. This notice should not be removed. > > >-- >Rex Brooks >President, CEO >Starbourne Communications Design >GeoAddress: 1361-A Addison >Berkeley, CA 94702 >Tel: 510-849-2309 > >-- >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG Free Edition. >Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.15.2/559 - Release Date: >11/30/2006 > > >-- >No virus found in this outgoing message. >Checked by AVG Free Edition. >Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.15.2/559 - Release Date: >11/30/2006 > -- Rex Brooks President, CEO Starbourne Communications Design GeoAddress: 1361-A Addison Berkeley, CA 94702 Tel: 510-849-2309
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