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Subject: RE: [emergency] Emergency Management Vocabulary alignments?
Thanks Don, This is truly good news. Cheers, Rex At 12:11 PM -0500 2/14/08, Ponikvar, Donald <CTR> wrote: >Interesting discussion. FYI, I have been invited to attend the next >meeting of the NBAC here in Washington DC on 28-29 Feb. > >The DHS Domestic Nuclear Detection Office (DNDO) has formally adopted >EDXL DE (along with CAP 1.1) as part of their overarching data model. >We have been asked by DHS to document our messaging approach in the >approved NIEM IEPD format, for submission to the DHS NIEM office for >consideration as an extension to the NIEM core. That work is well >underway. > >So yes, there are some initial efforts to gain recognition of the OASIS >standards as part of the DHS NIEM implementations. We are actually >fielding a messaging system through our Southeast Transportation >Corridor Pilot effort, and it will use the messaging protocols (with >OASIS standards) that we are submitting to NIEM. This exercise involves >nine States and the District of Columbia, and will provide some >real-world benchmarks for how well it all works together. We anticipate >initial capabilities in the April-May time frame, with a full >demonstration in the Fall. > >Just an encouraging word that SOME folks at DHS are hearing the gospel >message. > >Don Ponikvar > >Donald R. Ponikvar, PhD >SETA Support, Mission Management Directorate >DHS/Domestic Nuclear Detection Office >Washington, DC 20528 > >voice: 202-254-7530 >fax: 202-254-7751 >Blackberry: 202-368-4922 > > >-----Original Message----- >From: >emergency-return-835-Donald.Ponikvar=associates.dhs.gov@lists.oasis-open >.org >[mailto:emergency-return-835-Donald.Ponikvar=associates.dhs.gov@lists.oa >sis-open.org] On Behalf Of Timothy Grapes >Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2008 11:14 AM >To: 'David RR Webber (XML)' >Cc: 'Lee Tincher'; Vandame, Richard; emergency@lists.oasis-open.org >Subject: RE: [emergency] Emergency Management Vocabulary alignments? > >David, >You got it. I don't know about future plans. Although they do have a >formal template for domain content submission, there is no current >governance to deal with submissions. I understand they are trying to >stand >up the NBAC (NIEM Business Architecture Committee) again. NIEM >governance >would be their responsibility - but you are right, ownership and process >outside of NIEM is also key. > >Thanks, > >Tim > >-----Original Message----- >From: David RR Webber (XML) [mailto:david@drrw.info] >Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2008 11:04 AM >To: Timothy Grapes >Cc: 'Lee Tincher'; 'Vandame,Richard'; emergency@lists.oasis-open.org >Subject: RE: [emergency] Emergency Management Vocabulary alignments? > >Tim, > >OK got it. > >The NIEM is just a giant vocabulary intended to be the base definitions >for >building conforming message exchanges from. > >So - no surprise they shredded OASIS messages into their base >components. >In future probably best to submit just the bsse definitions! They may >have >made changes to names of things to make sure they are fully NDR >compliant. >Again - that's something we can make sure of ahead of time too - but >would >be best to get agreement with NIEM on conformance and their signoff. > >The current NIEM V2.0 is from June 2007. My guess is that at some point >NIEM V3.0 work will occur. They do have a formal submission process for >domain stuff. The ownership and process for that though - obviously >that's >the trick here - to ensure our stuff is incorporated, corrected and >updated >for that. Would be nice also - since its domain, not core or universal >definitions - if we could get those updated and corrected sooner than >that... > >Some sleuthing into current contact points and so on. > >DW > >> -------- Original Message -------- >> Subject: RE: [emergency] Emergency Management Vocabulary alignments? > > From: "Timothy Grapes" <tgrapes@evotecinc.com> >> Date: Thu, February 14, 2008 10:41 am >> To: "'Vandame, Richard'" <Richard.Vandame@dhs.gov>, "'David RR >Webber >> \(XML\)'" <david@drrw.info>, <emergency@lists.oasis-open.org> >> Cc: "'Lee Tincher'" <ltincher@evotecinc.com> >> >> Rich is correct - some EDXL messages were the first non-Justice >content >> entered into NIEM, before harmonization processes were defined. At >that >> time, (to our surprise) the messages were broken apart and the >elements >put >> in the EM domain as well as in core. That's when we realized NIEM >wasn't >> addressing standard messages. The content is now old and incorrect >(to >what >> degree I don't know). >> >> Since that time (2 years ago) there has been no governance, process or >> funding to deal with this. Though we forwarded a detailed proposal >with >> DHS-OIC and NIEM for EDXL alignment (EDXL consume and maintain NIEM as >a >> common data dictionary), I don't think it has moved forward. That >proposal >> called for evolution into NIEM-compliant EDXL messaging standards >through >> re-use of NIEM data dictionary components, which are then evaluated as >NIMS >> "approved" messaging standards. The intended result is grant language >and >> program alignment such that implementation of EDXL messaging standards >by >> any entity results in the sending and receiving system deemed as NIMS, >NIEM, >> OIC-program and OASIS compatible. >> >> Thanks, >> >> Tim Grapes >> Evolution Technologies, Inc. >> Office: (703) 654-6075 >> Mobile: (703) 304-4829 >> tgrapes@evotecinc.com >> http://www.evotecinc.com/ >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Vandame, Richard [mailto:Richard.Vandame@dhs.gov] >> Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2008 10:08 AM >> To: David RR Webber (XML); emergency@lists.oasis-open.org >> Subject: RE: [emergency] Emergency Management Vocabulary alignments? >> >> If I remember correctly, EDXL information was entered into NIEM >sometime >> back. Some of it is incorrect, but no one was able to get it changed. >> >> Anyone else? >> >> Rich >> >> Richard Vandame >> Program Specialist >> Standards & Technology Branch >> Incident Management Systems Integration Division >> DHS/FEMA >> office: 202-646-7666 >> BB: 202-412-9072 >> richard.vandame@dhs.gov >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: >emergency-return-829-Richard.Vandame=dhs.gov@lists.oasis-open.org >> >[mailto:emergency-return-829-Richard.Vandame=dhs.gov@lists.oasis-open.or >> g] On Behalf Of David RR Webber (XML) >> Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2008 9:27 AM >> To: emergency@lists.oasis-open.org >> Subject: [emergency] Emergency Management Vocabulary alignments? >> >> I just found out that the NIEM V2.0 has a whole domain for Emergency >> Management that supports the National Incident-Based Reporting System >> (NIBRS). >> >> You can use NIEM online tools to explore these: >> >> http://ncsconline.org/niemwayfarer (best) >> >> and also >> >> http://niem.gtri.gatech.edu/niemtools/ssgt/SSGT-SearchSubmit.iepd >> >> There's a whole raft of information for emergency stuff - that we have >- >> that is duplicative - such as vehicle, bed, etc. >> >> I see others have already been here ahead of me. >> >> So for example we have bed, vehicle, etc information - searching in >> Wayfarer shows those. >> >> Bed search results: >> >> Matching Elements >> em:AdditionalCapacity24HrQuantity >> em:AdditionalCapacity72HrQuantity >> em:AvailableQuantity >> em:BaselineQuantity >> em:BedCapacity >> em:BedCategoryCode >> em:Capacity >> em:CapacityStatusCode >> >> Obviously we also have these in our schema. >> >> Now of course the NIEM is a giant boat anchor of a XSD fur ball. >> >> However - I could see the case for aligning to the dictionary - so >that >> names/definitions are equivalent - so you have published 100% > > correspondence for interoperability. >> >> This may be as simple as producing a spreadsheet with OASIS item and >> then the NIEM equivalent item... have we done that already? >> >> Of course one may want to create subset schema that include only those >> definitions extracted from the NIEM xsd fur ball - and built as a >> standalone xsd that is maintained independently thru OASIS. >> >> Is that essential what we have done? > > >> Thoughts? >> >> Just coming up the learning curve here! >> >> Thanks, DW >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from this mail list, you must leave the OASIS TC that >> generates this mail. 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