Re: HM.Frameworks: terrorism (wasRe: Case inPoint-culturalModule:IslamicFundamentalism?)

[Rex Brooks <rexb@starbourne.com>]

Title: Re: HM.Frameworks: terrorism (wasRe: Case in Point-c

Good point. Jerry, Bless His Conclusion-Jumping, Pea-Pickin', Foot-in-Mouth, UnSelf-Conscious Self, Falwell couldn't wait to blame the Godless Gays and Lesbians and ACLU for God removin' his blessin's from the Good Ol' US of A.

I've already read an email to the effect that Nostradamus predicted this disaster as the start of WWIII, and I'm just waitin for the RoseAnnaDannaAnabaptists or the Left-Handed 13th Day Adventurers to declare Osama bin Laden the Anti-Christ.

However, we need to listen to Christian Fundamentalists to build a culturalModule for them as well.

I happen to think the Taliban is something we need to scrape off our shoes, but to understand them better makes more sense than just shuddering in revulsion at a human chancre. Remember, all these groups believe they have a hot line to God, and in fact each believes they have the one and only true hotline to the one and only true God.

And as much as I would like them all to take a quick one-way trip to paradise to give their beliefs a reality-check, I'm not going to help them trash us by refusing to hear and try to understand what they say.

We have a LOT of work to do.

Ciao,

Rex

At 5:40 PM +0200 9/14/01, Erwan Deverre wrote:

> May I remind you lads that:
> 1) You could very well add Christian
> Fundamentalists. Their position will have to be watched for the next
> few weeks - and they sometimes commit acts of terrorism on their own.
> cf Northern Ireland, anti-abortion in the USA, bombings in France in
> 1985 or 7, etc.
> 2) Taleban, though not recognised by any
> other but 3 countries, is to be considered the official government of
> Afghanistan due to the lack of proper opposition inside the 80% or so
> of the land they occupy. Opposition outside that zone is in great
> trouble and, though it has been recognised as a political faction by
> the European Union, it cannot be considered as a government.
> .
> Ranjeeth Kumar Thunga wrote:
> > I agree Rex,
> > this is the most useful and needed approach at this stage
> > of
> > our world--I think none of us can
> > argue.
> > We are looking at the primary modules
> > from US and 'terrorist' perspective.
> > If there is
> > ever a time for technical AND non-technical experts to jump
> > into
> > the pool, these next few days are
> > it.
> > This is the
> > general path I propose.
> > 1) Identify
> > the most relevant frameworks regarding current 'human
> > conflict'
> > 2) Detail them, from non-technical expert
> > sources
> > 3) Represent them through HumanML (RDF
> > and XML)
> > After this,
> > we can develop applications that can start to work of
> > clarifying
> > the human factors involved.
> >  
> > HM.Frameworks (for our primary
> > focus)
> > =======================
> >     Religion
> >        
> > Sunni
> >        
> > Shiite
> >            Islamic
> > Fundamentalist
> >            Islamic
> > Moderate
> >        
> > Christian
> >           
> > Catholic
> >           
> > Protestant
> >     Political
> > (Official)
> >         
> > Palestine
> >         
> > Afghanistan
> >         
> > Iraq
> >         
> > United States
> >     Political
> > (Unofficial)
> >         
> > Taliban
> >         
> > Hamas
> >         
> > Islamic Jihad
> > (Others: 
> > Greeks, Jordanians, Saudis, Yemenis,  Morrocans, Canada,
> > UK,
> > France,
> > Algerians, Tunisians, Libyans, Egyptians,
> > Iranians, Indians,
> > Turkmenistanis, Uzbekhistantis,
> > Azerbaijanis,  Afghanis, Pakhistanis,
> >  Gulf State nationals)
> >     Cultural
> >          
> > Arab
> >           United
> > States
> >               "New York" Culture
> >  
> >  
> >  
> >  
> >  
> > -----
> > Original Message -----
> > From: "Rex Brooks" <rexb@starbourne.com>
> > To: <humanmarkup-comment@lists.oasis-open.org>
> > Sent: Friday, September 14, 2001 9:37
> > AM
> > Subject: Case in Point-cultural
> > Module:IslamicFundamentalism?
> >  
> > >
> > > The Subject Line here ends in a
> > question mark because what I'm
> > > attempting to start is a discussion
> > on how we can go about building
> > > such a culturalModule that is as
> > accurate as possible. There are at
> > > least three major considerations in
> > this effort that I can recognize
> > > at the moment.
> > >
> > > 1. To get accurate information
> > requires at the least more than one
> > > active member of this broad cultural
> > group, hopefully from more than
> > > one of the following sub-groups:
> > national, schismatic, and ethnic
> > > that produce and harbor such humans.
> > That includes but is not limited
> > > to, Shiites, Sunnis, Arabs,
> > Lenbanese, Persians, Balkans, Slavs,
> > > Greeks Palestinians, Jordanians,
> > Saudis, Yemenis,  Morrocans,
> > > Algerians, Tunisians, Libyans,
> > Egyptians, Iranians, Indians,
> > > Turkmenistanis, Uzbekhistantis,
> > Azerbaijanis,  Afghanis, Pakhistanis,
> > > Gulf State nationals and
> > more.
> > >
> > > Does anyone believe these humans do
> > NOT want to be heard and
> > > understood on their own
> > terms?
> > >
> > > 2. For this, or any, 
> > culturalModule:  we need a way to be perceived
> > > in our work as being, at the least,
> > without ulterior motives or
> > > hidden agendas. We need to be
> > perceived as unbiased, as setting our
> > > standards and goals at absolute
> > unvarnished truth while acknowledging
> > > that such is not feasible or
> > actually possible in totality.
> > >
> > > How our information can be used
> > needs to be understood so that those
> > > who might be mistrustful understand
> > that what we are doing is
> > > providing them with a way to be
> > understood correctly, and thus to
> > > control how THEY are perceived. We
> > need them to understand that this
> > > gives them a way to have some
> > measure of control over how THEY can be
> > > used or misused, and how they can
> > use this information to correct
> > > misuse or abuse or
> > misinformation.
> > >
> > > 3. We must eliminate emotional
> > connotations from coloring how such a
> > > culturalModule: is
> > constructed.
> > >
> > > No mean feat.
> > >
> > > Ciao,
> > > Rex
> > > --
> > > Rex Brooks
> > > GeoAddress: 1361-A Addison,
> > Berkeley, CA, 94702 USA, Earth
> > > W3Address: http://www.starbourne.com
> > > Email: rexb@starbourne.com
> > > Tel: 510-849-2309
> > > Fax: By Request
>

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