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Know thyself
Do onto others as you would like done onto
you
Love your neighbor as you love
yourself
Father, forgive them for they do not know what they
do
He who has not sinned, throw the first
stone.
(Ideals from Jesus Christ's teachings--not my
invention!)
Gotta understand ourselves. Gotta understand
people. No way around it. No real solution without it.
Know thy enemy and Know thyself.
DOES NOT mean we musn't take strong action when
necessary.
DOES mean we have to, with open eyes,
understand 'the totality of humanity' in order to BEGIN to solve the
problems of humanity.
Simply, we dig a couple of levels--I use the
analogy of peeling an onion one or two layers, getting a bit closer to
the truth of who a person is. If the information is true, it is
clearer. And if the information is false, it becomes clearer.
The truth or contradictions become one step more explicit, for society, and
potentially, for ourselves.
Ultimately, we gotta ensure we distinguish the
'ideal' of religion, political representation, or culture from the 'actual
person', as Len mentioned earlier. The
namespace which represents _information_ about the person can contain
information from various authorities, including from the individual
himself/herself. Regardless, the schema and profile information _is
still not_ the actual person.
We are simply taking baby steps here, that other
efforts and people may hopefully incorporate. To reply to Sandy's
statement--we aren't trying to immediately solve age old issues of the
world...we are simply taking steps towards increased and EXPLICIT human
awareness, one layer at a time. The ultimate result, hopefully, will
_at a minimum_ set some examples for future
efforts to build off of.
Easy to simply pontificate (which I am *all too
guilty* of indulging in)--nonetheless the real test are the actual
deliverable(s). Clear and frank statements to that effect rings loud and clear.
Ranjeeth Kumar Thunga
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And as much as I would like them all to take a quick one-way trip to
paradise to give their beliefs a reality-check, I'm not going to help them
trash us by refusing to hear and try to understand what they say.
We have a LOT of work to do.
Ciao,
Rex
At 5:40 PM +0200 9/14/01, Erwan Deverre wrote:
May I remind you lads that:
1) You could very well add Christian
Fundamentalists. Their position will have to be watched for the next few
weeks - and they sometimes commit acts of terrorism on their own. cf
Northern Ireland, anti-abortion in the USA, bombings in France in 1985 or 7,
etc.
2) Taleban, though not recognised by any
other but 3 countries, is to be considered the official government of
Afghanistan due to the lack of proper opposition inside the 80% or so of the
land they occupy. Opposition outside that zone is in great trouble and,
though it has been recognised as a political faction by the European Union,
it cannot be considered as a government.
.
Ranjeeth Kumar Thunga wrote:
I agree Rex,
this is the most useful and needed approach at this stage
of
our world--I think none of us
can argue.
We are looking at the
primary modules from US and 'terrorist' perspective.
If there is
ever a time for technical AND non-technical experts to jump
into
the pool, these next few days
are it.
This is the
general path I propose.
1) Identify
the most relevant frameworks regarding current 'human
conflict'
2) Detail them, from
non-technical expert sources
3)
Represent them through HumanML (RDF and XML)
After this,
we can develop applications that can start to work of
clarifying
the human factors
involved.
HM.Frameworks
(for our primary focus)
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Religion
Sunni
Shiite
Islamic Fundamentalist
Islamic Moderate
Christian
Catholic
Protestant
Political
(Official)
Palestine
Afghanistan
Iraq
United States
Political
(Unofficial)
Taliban
Hamas
Islamic Jihad
(Others: Greeks, Jordanians, Saudis,
Yemenis, Morrocans, Canada, UK,
France,
Algerians, Tunisians, Libyans, Egyptians, Iranians,
Indians,
Turkmenistanis,
Uzbekhistantis, Azerbaijanis, Afghanis, Pakhistanis,
Gulf State nationals)
Cultural
Arab
United States
"New York"
Culture
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Original Message -----
From: "Rex
Brooks" <rexb@starbourne.com>
To:
<humanmarkup-comment@lists.oasis-open.org>
Sent:
Friday, September 14, 2001 9:37 AM
Subject: Case in Point-cultural
Module:IslamicFundamentalism?
>
>
The Subject Line here ends in a question mark because what
I'm
> attempting to start is a
discussion on how we can go about building
> such a culturalModule that is as accurate as
possible. There are at
> least
three major considerations in this effort that I can
recognize
> at the
moment.
>
> 1.
To get accurate information requires at the least more than
one
> active member of this
broad cultural group, hopefully from more than
> one of the following sub-groups: national,
schismatic, and ethnic
> that
produce and harbor such humans. That includes but is not
limited
> to, Shiites, Sunnis,
Arabs, Lenbanese, Persians, Balkans, Slavs,
> Greeks Palestinians, Jordanians, Saudis,
Yemenis, Morrocans,
>
Algerians, Tunisians, Libyans, Egyptians, Iranians,
Indians,
> Turkmenistanis,
Uzbekhistantis, Azerbaijanis, Afghanis, Pakhistanis,
> Gulf State nationals and more.
>
>
Does anyone believe these humans do NOT want to be heard
and
> understood on their own
terms?
>
> 2. For this, or any,
culturalModule: we need a way to be perceived
> in our work as being, at the least, without
ulterior motives or
> hidden
agendas. We need to be perceived as unbiased, as setting
our
> standards and goals at
absolute unvarnished truth while acknowledging
> that such is not feasible or actually possible
in totality.
>
> How our information can be used needs to be
understood so that those
> who
might be mistrustful understand that what we are doing is
> providing them with a way to be understood
correctly, and thus to
> control
how THEY are perceived. We need them to understand that
this
> gives them a way to have
some measure of control over how THEY can be
> used or misused, and how they can use this
information to correct
> misuse
or abuse or misinformation.
>
> 3.
We must eliminate emotional connotations from coloring how such
a
> culturalModule: is
constructed.
>
> No mean feat.
>
>
Ciao,
> Rex
> --
>
Rex Brooks
> GeoAddress: 1361-A
Addison, Berkeley, CA, 94702 USA, Earth
> W3Address: http://www.starbourne.com
> Email: rexb@starbourne.com
> Tel: 510-849-2309
> Fax: By
Request
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