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Subject: RE: [humanmarkup-comment] Base Schema - Proxemic
In a simple sense, a proxemic could be implemented as a rule for setting the values of other fields given some value of proximity for a given semiote. In other words, the proximity value is exactly that: space measured between semiotes. It doesn't have any significance except as an argument in the context of the other objects in the vicinity of the semiote. One might think of it in terms of local coordinate systems similar to the VRML concept of proximity. In another sense, a proximity value is one of the most important values for a communication application. Proxemic values should be part of several of the other primary or secondary elements. I didn't combine these because I didn't want to constrain what could be done in the secondaries given that secondaries will be more theoretic-specific, that is, uses the concepts from the primaries but may relate these in different ways. Note that very few of the original primary elements were combined. I left that for later discussion as are being had now. My apologies to all for missing the telecon. I've been in and out of the office for some medical reasons. Justa buncha old guys here.... lwn -----Original Message----- From: Rex Brooks [mailto:rexb@starbourne.com] Hi Folks, Here we go again. This one should be given some focused thought about it in relation to several recently examined elements. proxemic This is a ComplexType with the abstract attribute. It does not reference other elements, but I think we should consider changing from: Not used by other elements; to used by other elements; IF we decide to make a couple of other changes I am going to introduce. This element belongs to the attribute group humlIdentifierAtts. I also want to point out that this discussion and commentary represents to some extent how our personal and collective thinking can change over time as more information is taken into account. In this case, we have had several discussions around the issues of locators which directly bear on how this element may need to be used by other elements. This is not the best of all possible worlds, but it does seem to more accurately describe the one in which we live. A little more than a year ago, I had proxemic grouped with the etymologically related elements of kinesic, cosmetic, haptic, because that made linguistic sense then in the absence of the research and discussion we have had since. First, let's look at the description/definition []=my additions: Proxemic: Human Space/Time Relationships. Use of both time and space as well as relative body positions given some organization of the features of the space in which communication occurs. [This is considered] In [terms of] physical distance or closeness maintained between individuals, as affecting messsageTypes such as body heat they give off, odors perceived in social situations, angles of vision they maintain while talking [conversing]. [This includes] Notions of: fixed feature space (unmovable boundaries, eg. divisions within an office building)[;] semi-fixed feature space, such as furniture[;] informal space including intimate distance (eg, American culture is 6-18 inches)[;] personal distance (eg, American culture is 1.5-4 feet)[;] [and] social distance (eg, American culture is 4-12 feet)[.] We may want to divide up proximity as affecting communications and feature space into separate modules. In light of the discussions we have had around locators, whereby I think we are likely to create related elements of bodyLocation (site within/on body), geo-temporalLocator (local coordinates relative to recognized standards like City, State, Country, Lattitude/Longitude, GPS, and universal date/time standards, etc) and locator (site within/on physical object), I think we will likely to settle on a very basic definition for proxemic as relative distance of semiote to: physical objects which are locally-defined and located objects in the immediate physical environment (eg, limits of perceptional distance or what a semiote can sense); other semiotes located in physical environment; and, other semiotes currently engaged in communication interaction (eg, online, snail mail, IM). I think this is another case where the enumeration of distinctions or types needs to be done in a Secondary Base Schema. That would include personal, social and intimate distance perceptions. I think we need to think about which elements should be changed so that their mutually modifying use is likely, in this case locators and proxemic will use each other, and proxemic will be used by culture, kinesic and emotion. Prxoemic will also play a role in another new element I think we should consider: perception, which I think we need in the Primary Base Schema along with culture, emotion, and proxemic because, as we get to the element signal, such things as body heat and odor, mentined here, which depend to some extent on proxemic, will need to be included. Here is a double heads-up. One--it is another hot day here, but maybe not as bad as recently. However the chances are good I will have to shut down again this afternoon, so if you don't see replies from me later, that will be the reason, not that I am ignoring anyone. Two, I have another message which, while related, does not properly belong in this thread. Ciao, Rex -- Rex Brooks Starbourne Communications Design 1361-A Addison, Berkeley, CA 94702 *510-849-2309 http://www.starbourne.com * rexb@starbourne.com ---------------------------------------------------------------- To subscribe or unsubscribe from this elist use the subscription manager: <http://lists.oasis-open.org/ob/adm.pl>
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