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Subject: RE: [humanmarkup-comment] Base Schema - Proxemic
Thanks. Sounds like we are on the sampe page. That's perfectly understandable. We figured as much. Hope the medprob dissolves soon. Ciao, Rex At 9:15 AM -0500 9/20/02, Bullard, Claude L (Len) wrote: >In a simple sense, a proxemic could be implemented as >a rule for setting the values of other fields given >some value of proximity for a given semiote. In >other words, the proximity value is exactly that: >space measured between semiotes. It doesn't have >any significance except as an argument in the context >of the other objects in the vicinity of the semiote. >One might think of it in terms of local coordinate >systems similar to the VRML concept of proximity. > >In another sense, a proximity value is one of the >most important values for a communication application. >Proxemic values should be part of several of the other >primary or secondary elements. I didn't combine these >because I didn't want to constrain what could be done >in the secondaries given that secondaries will be >more theoretic-specific, that is, uses the concepts >from the primaries but may relate these in different >ways. > >Note that very few of the original primary elements >were combined. I left that for later discussion >as are being had now. > >My apologies to all for missing the telecon. I've >been in and out of the office for some medical >reasons. Justa buncha old guys here.... > >lwn > >-----Original Message----- >From: Rex Brooks [mailto:rexb@starbourne.com] > > > >Hi Folks, > >Here we go again. This one should be given some focused thought about >it in relation to several recently examined elements. > >proxemic > >This is a ComplexType with the abstract attribute. It does not >reference other elements, but I think we should consider changing >from: Not used by other elements; to used by other elements; IF we >decide to make a couple of other changes I am going to introduce. >This element belongs to the attribute group humlIdentifierAtts. > >I also want to point out that this discussion and commentary >represents to some extent how our personal and collective thinking >can change over time as more information is taken into account. In >this case, we have had several discussions around the issues of >locators which directly bear on how this element may need to be used >by other elements. This is not the best of all possible worlds, but >it does seem to more accurately describe the one in which we live. A >little more than a year ago, I had proxemic grouped with the >etymologically related elements of kinesic, cosmetic, haptic, because >that made linguistic sense then in the absence of the research and >discussion we have had since. > >First, let's look at the description/definition []=my additions: >Proxemic: Human Space/Time Relationships. Use of both time and space >as well as relative body positions given some organization of the >features of the space in which communication occurs. [This is >considered] In [terms of] physical distance or closeness maintained >between individuals, as affecting messsageTypes such as body heat >they give off, odors perceived in social situations, angles of vision >they maintain while talking [conversing]. [This includes] Notions of: >fixed feature space (unmovable boundaries, eg. divisions within an >office building)[;] semi-fixed feature space, such as furniture[;] >informal space including intimate distance (eg, American culture is >6-18 inches)[;] personal distance (eg, American culture is 1.5-4 >feet)[;] [and] social distance (eg, American culture is 4-12 feet)[.] >We may want to divide up proximity as affecting communications and >feature space into separate modules. > >In light of the discussions we have had around locators, whereby I >think we are likely to create related elements of bodyLocation (site >within/on body), geo-temporalLocator (local coordinates relative to >recognized standards like City, State, Country, Lattitude/Longitude, >GPS, and universal date/time standards, etc) and locator (site >within/on physical object), I think we will likely to settle on a >very basic definition for proxemic as relative distance of semiote >to: physical objects which are locally-defined and located objects in >the immediate physical environment (eg, limits of perceptional >distance or what a semiote can sense); other semiotes located in >physical environment; and, other semiotes currently engaged in >communication interaction (eg, online, snail mail, IM). > >I think this is another case where the enumeration of distinctions or >types needs to be done in a Secondary Base Schema. That would include >personal, social and intimate distance perceptions. > >I think we need to think about which elements should be changed so >that their mutually modifying use is likely, in this case locators >and proxemic will use each other, and proxemic will be used by >culture, kinesic and emotion. Prxoemic will also play a role in >another new element I think we should consider: perception, which I >think we need in the Primary Base Schema along with culture, emotion, >and proxemic because, as we get to the element signal, such things as >body heat and odor, mentined here, which depend to some extent on >proxemic, will need to be included. > >Here is a double heads-up. > >One--it is another hot day here, but maybe not as bad as recently. >However the chances are good I will have to shut down again this >afternoon, so if you don't see replies from me later, that will be >the reason, not that I am ignoring anyone. > >Two, I have another message which, while related, does not properly >belong in this thread. > >Ciao, >Rex >-- >Rex Brooks >Starbourne Communications Design >1361-A Addison, Berkeley, CA 94702 *510-849-2309 >http://www.starbourne.com * rexb@starbourne.com > > >---------------------------------------------------------------- >To subscribe or unsubscribe from this elist use the subscription >manager: <http://lists.oasis-open.org/ob/adm.pl> -- Rex Brooks Starbourne Communications Design 1361-A Addison, Berkeley, CA 94702 *510-849-2309 http://www.starbourne.com * rexb@starbourne.com
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