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Subject: RE: [humanmarkup-comment] Notes on apparent delay
I, too, have too much work, to follow thorough on a discussion of a collective, if disorganized big-brother-the-environment, but I will put you on notice that Princeton's global-egg, electronic-media monitoring project recorded global activity levels, represented in histograms of activity over the time period of four hours directly after the WTC attacks last year which indicate a pattern (oh! that word again, damn!) over the entire planet that exhibits organism-level organization in the response. Spooky. However, I suspect we need not worry too much about that for the Primary Base Schema. Ciao, Rex At 10:17 AM -0500 10/1/02, Bullard, Claude L (Len) wrote: >Try the exercise of filling in the element type >for signs. The informative part is figuring >out if a sign is symbolic, iconic or indexical. >One can use the example I gave of weather events >and come up with a set of signs that have a directional >quality. In other words, the early signs are >composite: wind, humidity, tall clouds, etc. >and symbolic. The last sign, the actual >tornado, is iconic but indexes other events. > >BTW: if the environment is also a sign system, >it also has to be an observer. That one is >ripe for the philosophers, although, essentially, >it is an issue of situational connections, not >awareness. On the other hand... no, not today. >Too much work to do. > >len > >-----Original Message----- >From: Rex Brooks [mailto:rexb@starbourne.com] > >True. I trust you will keep us in line if we stay toward fallacies. >And provide some exmples so that we can be clear in our explanations >to the rest of the world. I doubt that they will understand as well >if we supply only verbal explanations, and that's rimarily what I am >fishing for at the moment. If we do a good job of making our >explanations interesting and we actually get some understanding >started, who knows where it will lead? > >I'd like to be pleasantly surprised, but I expect to be surprised in any case. > >Ciao, >Rex > >At 9:15 AM -0500 10/1/02, Bullard, Claude L (Len) wrote: >>Keep in mind that all signs are not artificial. >>Following the Peircean models, and as shown >>in the diagram I provided a few days ago, >>the model is of an environment that emits/receive >>signs and of objects within that environment >>that emit/receive signs. This is necessary >>to create a dynamic self-modifying system. >> >>Concurrent gusty wind, high humidity, high barometric >>pressure, are a sign. It isn't necessary that >>a sign have a graphical representation although >>that is a simple form and easily understood. It >>is necessary that a sign be mapped to a physical >>or abstract concept. In the case above, it maps >>to a potential for tornados. >> >>len >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Rex Brooks [mailto:rexb@starbourne.com] >>Sent: Tuesday, October 01, 2002 8:00 AM >>To: humanmarkup@lists.oasis-open.org; >>humanmarkup-comment@lists.oasis-open.org >>Subject: [humanmarkup-comment] Notes on apparent delay >> >> >>Hi Everyone, >> >>I wanted to let you know that while it appears that I have slowed >>down considerably in the process of pushing Base Schema elements out >>for discussion, I am actually working on some aids for understanding >>the role and function of the Base Schema, our overall plan, and >>semiotics, since we will soon be issuing our first >>submission--hopefully, by the end of this month. >> >>While that is a postponement from our earlier target date, it is >>still an aggressive schedule, and without these explanatory materials >>to help explain our work, I think we would be asked to return to our >>committee and do this so that the larger audience can more readily >>understand what they will be seeing in the spec itself. >> >>I expect to have the first working drafts of this explanatory work >>ready by the end of day today or tomorrow, and then I will return to >>the Base Schema elements. >> >>One thing that I would not mind seeing (another way of saying, please > >do this) would be a list of various kinds of signs as a set of >>concrete examples, things like roadside directional signs, traffic >>signs, hand/body gesture signs (culturally specific or not--though a >>name and any further classifying information would be helpful), >>spoken words, written languages (with images of the language on paper >>or in some other usage, like building signage) , alert sounds >>(sirens, alarms), etc, etc. >> >>It will be helpful to have examples--and I will be providing a >>separate website section for this assembly of concrete examples. We >>have to remember that even after we finish our first spec, we still >>have to sell it, and to do that, it is better to demonstrate than >>explain endlessly. This material is simply not easy to grasp >>correctly. >> >>Ciao, >>Rex >>-- >>Rex Brooks >>Starbourne Communications Design >>1361-A Addison, Berkeley, CA 94702 *510-849-2309 >>http://www.starbourne.com * rexb@starbourne.com >> >> >>---------------------------------------------------------------- >>To subscribe or unsubscribe from this elist use the subscription >>manager: <http://lists.oasis-open.org/ob/adm.pl> > > >-- >Rex Brooks >Starbourne Communications Design >1361-A Addison, Berkeley, CA 94702 *510-849-2309 >http://www.starbourne.com * rexb@starbourne.com -- Rex Brooks Starbourne Communications Design 1361-A Addison, Berkeley, CA 94702 *510-849-2309 http://www.starbourne.com * rexb@starbourne.com
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